cocky fencing vs confident fencing

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

I am known to a lot as the "cocky" fencer and i wear that title proudly but a lot of people really get irritated when your cocky. But my cockiness is even a joke. Like ill say im gonna win a tournament and when i lose in the top eight ill be like "you think i was trying" or "didnt wanna make you guys look bad." But it is clearly a joke and now im known for always being cocky.................. its really weird

I'm just not one of those people that are like i guess ill lose to the A in pools and try to win the others. Im more like give me the A now so i can make him cry and come out top in pools. But is that a bad thing

[KD5MDK]

Did you beat him?

[FoilyDeath]

Did you beat him?

That kind of covers it doesn't it....if the A tools you, then you really can't afford to be cocky...Then again, I'm one of the cockiest bastards around, and I wear that badge with pride as well!

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

Did you beat him?

Actually it was at mercurycup #4 and i beat one of the A's 5-0 lost to one 5-1 and beat the other 5-4
so yeah i kinda did beat most of them I won my 1st DE against masin but then i lost my 2nd DE to max czapanskiy 13-15

[KD5MDK]

You realize that makes you no longer a mystery fencer, right?

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

You realize that makes you no longer a mystery fencer, right?

only if you guys dont take my word for it and have to check it out for yourselves.

[parrythis]

To address the implied question in the subject of your thread...

Being "cocky" is being certain (whether rightly or wrongly) about the outcome of your impending match.

Being "confident" is being certain of your own abilities.

"cocky" = bad
"confident" = good

As a "joke", being cocky is OK in small doses, but as a regular behavior, it's still bad.

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

To address the implied question in the subject of your thread...

Being "cocky" is being certain (whether rightly or wrongly) about the outcome of your impending match.

Being "confident" is being certain of your own abilities.

"cocky" = bad
"confident" = good

As a "joke", being cocky is OK in small doses, but as a regular behavior, it's still bad.

But is cockiness all that wrong if its as a joke. I mean i could make a joke about somebody and not mean it and everybody will know its a joke but when i act cocky everyone assumes that im being a d*ck and acting like im superior.

[Morion]

I think the main difference between cocky and confident is if you can back it up or not. Although "cocky" implies a bit of trash talking. The problem with joking around with strangers is that they may not take it as joking. The wrong smart @$$ed remark to the wrong person can get your butt kicked in the parking lot!

only if you guys dont take my word for it and have to check it out for yourselves.

BTW your name looks like it would be really hard to pronounce!

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

I think the main difference between cocky and confident is if you can back it up or not. Although "cocky" implies a bit of trash talking. The problem with joking around with strangers is that they may not take it as joking. The wrong smart @$$ed remark to the wrong person can get your butt kicked in the parking lot!



BTW your name looks like it would be really hard to pronounce!

Well yknow im not scared to scrap in the parking lot over a joke


and as for my name you can just call me MYSTERYFENCERX

[parrythis]

But is cockiness all that wrong if its as a joke.

As I said earlier - small doses.

If by a joke you mean humor/comedy, then you should understand that the keys to humor are timing and the element of surprise. A joke is funniest when a) it is unexpected and b) it is delivered at the appropriate moment. Repeating the same joke over and over and over robs it of its element of surprise. It becomes... boring.

You don't want your joke to become boring, do you?

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

As I said earlier - small doses.

If by a joke you mean humor/comedy, then you should understand that the keys to humor are timing and the element of surprise. A joke is funniest when a) it is unexpected and b) it is delivered at the appropriate moment. Repeating the same joke over and over and over robs it of its element of surprise. It becomes... boring.

You don't want your joke to become boring, do you?

oh but i dont say the joke in always the same way. I'm not saying people dont laugh because people laugh but then they also say man i would never wnat that guy to beat me or i wouldnt want to fence that guy or that guys a jerk. and im like wth you were just laughing at my jokes . sniff sniff they turn on you so quickly.

[annacattiva]

oh but i dont say the joke in always the same way. I'm not saying people dont laugh because people laugh but then they also say man i would never wnat that guy to beat me or i wouldnt want to fence that guy or that guys a jerk. and im like wth you were just laughing at my jokes . sniff sniff they turn on you so quickly.

I think you're beginning to realize how society works. Surprisingly enough, people who think you're being an a$$ won't always reciprocate. They'll laugh politely, and then not want to have anything to do with you. That's how it works when your behavior is unpleasant.

Honestly, if you're even asking the question, my guess is that you're pushing it too far.

Anna

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

I think you're beginning to realize how society works. Surprisingly enough, people who think you're being an a$$ won't always reciprocate. They'll laugh politely, and then not want to have anything to do with you. That's how it works when your behavior is unpleasant.

Honestly, if you're even asking the question, my guess is that you're pushing it too far.

Anna

^ obviously someone who would take my jokes the wrong way

To answer you statement, some people honestly laugh at the jokes and have no problem with them (i mean im not a cocky fencing outcast) but its only a few people who take it the wrong way and then spread stupid things about how this ir that guy is such a jerk

[foildad]

But is cockiness all that wrong if its as a joke. I mean i could make a joke about somebody and not mean it and everybody will know its a joke but when i act cocky everyone assumes that im being a d*ck and acting like im superior.

There is definitely a line between confidence, cockiness, and being a d*ck.

dont try to make a mime lol-factor will never catch on whatever it is. Plus if your joke is aimed at me it was pretty weak. Just because i dont spell check my post doesnt mean anything and if your pointing it out your a real loser

I think you just crossed it.

[annacattiva]

^ obviously someone who would take my jokes the wrong way

To answer you statement, some people honestly laugh at the jokes and have no problem with them (i mean im not a cocky fencing outcast) but its only a few people who take it the wrong way and then spread stupid things about how this ir that guy is such a jerk

So "some" people honestly laugh (which is obviously your interpretation of their behavior, but let's assume it's the case), and "only a few" take it the wrong way... what do the rest do? I've said that it was "my guess" that you push too far, and you've said that I "obviously" would take your jokes the wrong way. What's the wrong way? You get to decide that it's a joke and therefore it's funny, and then we either agree or are part of the "few" who "spread stupid things"?

I'll upgrade my guess to a statement: if it bothers you so much that some people take your behavior in the wrong way, then you do push it too far. It's sort of a tautology, actually. Judgements about behavior depend entirely on how much one cares about the results. "Too" anything is based entirely on not liking the outcome. So if you don't like it that people don't like you sometimes, then you push it too far.

Anna <someone who is in fact sometimes amused by people displaying varying degrees of cockiness, and who has been known to do it herself as well.

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

So "some" people honestly laugh (which is obviously your interpretation of their behavior, but let's assume it's the case), and "only a few" take it the wrong way... what do the rest do? I've said that it was "my guess" that you push too far, and you've said that I "obviously" would take your jokes the wrong way. What's the wrong way? You get to decide that it's a joke and therefore it's funny, and then we either agree or are part of the "few" who "spread stupid things"?

I'll upgrade my guess to a statement: if it bothers you so much that some people take your behavior in the wrong way, then you do push it too far. It's sort of a tautology, actually. Judgements about behavior depend entirely on how much one cares about the results. "Too" anything is based entirely on not liking the outcome. So if you don't like it that people don't like you sometimes, then you push it too far.

Anna <someone who is in fact sometimes amused by people displaying varying degrees of cockiness, and who has been known to do it herself as well.

it bothers me only as much as people make it a big thing yknow what i mean. Like it wouldnt bother me if people didnt bombard me with it at tournaments. But i like the fencer i am and if people think badly of it tough because really i could care less about what people view of me as long as i win the tournament and then it wont be cockiness talking.

[keropie]

it bothers me only as much as people make it a big thing yknow what i mean. Like it wouldnt bother me if people didnt bombard me with it at tournaments. But i like the fencer i am and if people think badly of it tough because really i could care less about what people view of me as long as i win the tournament and then it wont be cockiness talking.

I think that if the bolded statement were really true, this thread wouldn't exist. But clearly this situation does bother you somewhat, which isn't surprising, because we'd all like people to like us.

As to whether or not cockiness is a good thing or bad thing, I'll admit to being fairly confident when I'm on strip. It happens. But I don't ever try to rub it in people's faces, no matter the difference in the score or whatever. It makes no sense, particularly in competition, which I regard as something fairly special. In club with people I know well, I'll certainly be more of a jerk (depending on who it is that I'm fencing), but when people practice with me or compete with me, I don't want to cheapen it by screwing around.

For whatever it's worth, in your posts you do come across as a bit of a jerk. Mind you, in many of my posts I do as well, and I don't consider myself to actually be a jerk (I just play one on the internet, as it were). So, if your peronality is acurately reflected by your posts, I'd have to guess that yes, you are indeed a jerk. But rarely are our personalities easily reflected thus. Most of us are much more than our online personae (well, maybe not Inq, but most of us )

[MYSTERYFENCERX]

I think that if the bolded statement were really true, this thread wouldn't exist. But clearly this situation does bother you somewhat, which isn't surprising, because we'd all like people to like us.

As to whether or not cockiness is a good thing or bad thing, I'll admit to being fairly confident when I'm on strip. It happens. But I don't ever try to rub it in people's faces, no matter the difference in the score or whatever. It makes no sense, particularly in competition, which I regard as something fairly special. In club with people I know well, I'll certainly be more of a jerk (depending on who it is that I'm fencing), but when people practice with me or compete with me, I don't want to cheapen it by screwing around.

For whatever it's worth, in your posts you do come across as a bit of a jerk. Mind you, in many of my posts I do as well, and I don't consider myself to actually be a jerk (I just play one on the internet, as it were). So, if your peronality is acurately reflected by your posts, I'd have to guess that yes, you are indeed a jerk. But rarely are our personalities easily reflected thus. Most of us are much more than our online personae (well, maybe not Inq, but most of us )

touche'