Elo poll - read post before voting

[Peach]

1998 was in NYC, won by Kelly. 1999 was in South Bend, won by Nicole.

I remembered the first year(s?) being a demo event as well, although the results page that I have doesn't demark it any differently than the five other weapons, which is why I cited the 1998 event.

Yeah, the first year was a demo (I was there at both--how odd that I seem to have the locations backwards).

While I'm looking, 2000 had the D1WS Championship separate from the rest of Summer and D1 Nationals (Colorado in April, rather than Texas in July for the rest). Christina Crane won.

We had them in Colorado Springs because WS wasn't yet an Olympic event.

2001 D1WS was back with everyone else (won by Sada Jacobson).

And then at some point WS got into the Olympics, and became an NCAA sport. But for the purpose of classifications, it is still very young and we don't have enough A's (especially competing at regional events) to make A's at any events besides NACs and National Championships.

[Sciurus-Rex]

re "racking up points" myth: In an Elo-ish system, it's impossible to run away with huge points from many events unless those competitions are strong enough to provide the points (and if that's the case, in which you're actually beating tough competitors, you definitely deserve it). You can't "rack up points" by beating a bunch of scrubs. The points gained for beating anyone(s) reflect the strength of the challenge.

Besides, the argument assumes the cheating-minded individual can afford the expense of running all over the place to garner all those minor values anyway.

The fear of someone grabbing up lots of minor point values is far out of proportion with the risk of it actually happening. And it definitely loses out in comparison with the way we can now get a high letter grade that lasts an entire calendar year.

[mrbiggs]

You can't "rack up points" by beating a bunch of scrubs.

Well, you can, but it takes very consistent results over a very long period of time.

[eac]

Actually you can't do that at all-- the improvements from beating said scrubs will get smaller and smaller over time, and you will not be able to rack up more than a fixed number of points beating the same scrubs, unless the scrubs keep bumping their own ratings by beating actual people elsewhere, in which case they're probably improving, in which case you're actually improving.

[mrbiggs]

Actually you can't do that at all-- the improvements from beating said scrubs will get smaller and smaller over time, and you will not be able to rack up more than a fixed number of points beating the same scrubs, unless the scrubs keep bumping their own ratings by beating actual people elsewhere, in which case they're probably improving, in which case you're actually improving.

Yes, you can, and it's been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bloodgood

It's not easy, but it's entirely possible. And though it probably can't be done to the same extent as Bloodgood, it is true that a very good fencer in an isolated area will be able to rack up a lot of points by consistently beating everyone else.

[notalent]

In fact I think your Division runs the other way.

Why is Nic Goodall, from your club, only a D, for gods' sake, if we can just manufacture ratings as you suggest?

I'm fairly sure that FF Was refering to ME being "overrated". Are there any As in MS or MF or any of the womens weapons in AZ? I know that Daisy is an A in Epee but are there any others?

[Inquartata]

Ah. Well, that's just an epee phenomenon, then, not a Divisional one. I suspect that situation applies everywhere...and I have always said that epee is overrated.

[sabreteur]

In fact I think your Division runs the other way.

Why is Nic Goodall, from your club, only a D, for gods' sake, if we can just manufacture ratings as you suggest?

BTW, Nic's rating glitch from the Linkmyer has supposedly been fixed. He should now have his C rating.

[notalent]

BTW, Nic's rating glitch from the Linkmyer has supposedly been fixed. He should now have his C rating.

Not to promote thread drift, but why did Nic wait over a YEAR to ask about it?

[Durando]

Yes, you can, and it's been done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bloodgood

It's not easy, but it's entirely possible. And though it probably can't be done to the same extent as Bloodgood, it is true that a very good fencer in an isolated area will be able to rack up a lot of points by consistently beating everyone else.

Let's hope the Russian Strongarm contingent (still the funniest goof ever on Fnet) doesn't get wind of the above.

[Inquartata]

Not to promote thread drift, but why did Nic wait over a YEAR to ask about it?

He didn't ask about it. I did, and then it emerged that the rating hadn't been reported/received/amended. If I hadn't asked he would probably never have looked into it. I suspect that he just doesn't care about ratings.

However, this brings up a nice dilemma for someone.

He was still technically a D when he fenced in our combined Qualifiers. He qualified for Div II and Div III on that basis. Had he been listed as a C, he would only have qualified for Div II, and one additional spot would have been opened for Div III. Since he actually earned the C a year ago, would that be grounds for an appeal by the next person down the list---the top placer who didn't qualify---to get into Div III? Or is everything dependent on the rating at the time of Qualifiers?

[notalent]

He didn't ask about it. I did, and then it emerged that the rating hadn't been reported/received/amended. If I hadn't asked he would probably never have looked into it. I suspect that he just doesn't care about ratings.

However, this brings up a nice dilemma for someone.

He was still technically a D when he fenced in our combined Qualifiers. He qualified for Div II and Div III on that basis. Had he been listed as a C, he would only have qualified for Div II, and one additional spot would have been opened for Div III. Since he actually earned the C a year ago, would that be grounds for an appeal by the next person down the list---the top placer who didn't qualify---to get into Div III? Or is everything dependent on the rating at the time of Qualifiers?

The person can ask but they won't win. A rating becomes official when the NO gets them. The NO issues new rating and then he is a C QED. I suppose that if they issue him a C06 card the fencer's apeal might have some chance, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

[Inquartata]

Ah, but I am told that the result was sent in to the NO after the tournament, and that there was a slip at the NO...

Not that anyone there will ever admit it, of course.

[notalent]

Ah, but I am told that the result was sent in to the NO after the tournament, and that there was a slip at the NO...

Not that anyone there will ever admit it, of course.

Well if that is the case I would say it is worth a shot, the other issue is does Nic want to fence D3, he could use the fact that the rating isn't official since he never received a copy of it, nor did anyone in his division, because the NO didn't "recieve" it.