Super regional youth circuit event

[500gms]

Does a division have a ethical responsibility to list a super regional on its schedule of events when the super regional will take place with the border of said division?

[notalent]

Does a division have a ethical responsibility to list a super regional on its schedule of events when the super regional will take place with the border of said division?

I guess it depends on who sanctions it.

[oiuyt]

I guess it depends on who sanctions it.

SYCs are nationally-sanctioned via the YDC.

Just for reference, this thread appears to be an outgrowth of some discussion on the (Yahoo!) message board for NJ Division.

-B

[FencingKitten]

If you're lucky and your division maintains a schedule of events, I'd hope it would be listed there, but I wouldn't consider it an ethical responsibility to do so - it doesn't benefit the division directly in a lot of cases, so it's the division's choice whether or not to list it.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

If the division lists ALL national events, including not only Nationals and NACs but also other SYCs in other parts of the country, then not including it would be odd, but one would assume it was an oversight.

If National Level events are not included, or if NACs are included but not SYCs, then it wouldn't even be unusual for it not to be included.

Then again, it also wouldn't be that unusually for it to be included even if the other events aren't included........

*shrug*

There isn't really an ethics question here.............

[Damon Scaggs]

It seems to me that the question isn't whether or not it should list the event, but why it wouldn't. The NJ yahoo group is closed so I have no idea what the issue is but I'm hard pressed to think of one that would hold water.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

It seems to me that the question isn't whether or not it should list the event, but why it wouldn't. The NJ yahoo group is closed so I have no idea what the issue is but I'm hard pressed to think of one that would hold water.

If it were a list of only division sanctioned events, because putting all the other events on gets difficult when there are a lot of national events, a lot of regional/sectional youth events, high school events, and college events.........

[Damon Scaggs]

It's a USFA event inside the division. That seems pretty much on point.

[Clammermom]

Oiuyt is correct. This is about the troubled NJ Division. The SYC Tournament was scheduled without the knowledge of the Division Tournament Committee. They actually discovered it's existence from AskFred. The SYC coordinator scheduled this event the same day as the NJ Division Div 3 Qualifier (which was scheduled first). Official notification was received in the past few days. It is now on the NJ website.
This is just another case of sour grapes. NJ vs. NJ.
Yes, the fencers are hurt by this.
PLEASE GROW UP!

[oiuyt]

Oiuyt is correct. This is about the troubled NJ Division. The SYC Tournament was scheduled without the knowledge of the Division Tournament Committee. They actually discovered it's existence from AskFred. The SYC coordinator scheduled this event the same day as the NJ Division Div 3 Qualifier (which was scheduled first). Official notification was received in the past few days. It is now on the NJ website.
This is just another case of sour grapes. NJ vs. NJ.
Yes, the fencers are hurt by this.
PLEASE GROW UP!

"Official notification"? You mean the public request on their Yahoo! group to finally get it onto the division schedule? Official notification (to everyone in the USFA) happened when the YDC posted the original SYC list last fall.

That said, they should have been directly informed much sooner than whenever they saw it on FRED.

Just as a nit-picking clarification of terminology, there's no such thing as an SYC coordinator. There are RYC Regional Coordinators (which don't have a role in the selection/naming of SYCs). Dates for SYCs are picked by tournament organizers, although doing the bid process they are occasionally shifted after consultation with the YDC.

As a side note, Long Island Division does not have the SYC within their boundaries listed on their schedule. All other divisions with SYCs this season currently have them listed (several of them have already take place).

-B
RYC Regional Coordinator
Pennsylvania Region
(which, incidently, includes NJ Div)

[epeemike81]

As a side note, Long Island Division does not have the SYC within their boundaries listed on their schedule. All other divisions with SYCs this season currently have them listed (several of them have already take place).

I assume you actually mean RYC here... Mission is hosting an RYC, but there are no SYC's on Long Island.

-m

[oiuyt]

I assume you actually mean RYC here... Mission is hosting an RYC, but there are no SYC's on Long Island.

-m

Ah, it's an RYC that appears to have been mis-filed on the YDC schedule as an SYC.

http://www.usfaryc.org/Schedule.html

Was wondering why they'd added another in the Northeast late and without any fanfare.

-B
edit: dropped Maureen an email alerting her

[500gms]

Oiuyt is correct. This is about the troubled NJ Division. The SYC Tournament was scheduled without the knowledge of the Division Tournament Committee. They actually discovered it's existence from AskFred. The SYC coordinator scheduled this event the same day as the NJ Division Div 3 Qualifier (which was scheduled first). Official notification was received in the past few days. It is now on the NJ website.
This is just another case of sour grapes. NJ vs. NJ.
Yes, the fencers are hurt by this.
PLEASE GROW UP!

Clammermom,
SOUR GRAPES?
On January 18th on the division message board an individual associated with the
present power structure posted the following," To avoid confusion, Cobra Fencing is running a Super Regional Youth tournament on April 13-15 that is not sanctioned by the NJ Division." While technically correct, the impression given was that event was an unsanctioned event.

Despite repeated requests by Cobra to post the event (especially because as a courtesy, the division webmaster posts all of the events run at BCAF that are sanctioned by the PHILA. division on the NJ schedule) and a major mia culpa by the person/officer who made the unsactioned remark,
nothing was put on the website until a USFA official stepped in and TOLD the webmaster, the TC chair and the remaining officers to list it.By the way, Cobra was one of the clubs that signed the petition to "Fissure" the NJ Division. The TC has known about the Super regional since at least the 17th of Jan. He was told by Cobra's owner before that, however his, the TC's defense is, I don't remember ever being told."

Instead of cooperating with the organisers of the Super regional, the TC had a hissy fit and ranted about all of the Y-14 men's foil fencers who wouldn't be able to qualify for divII. On about Jan. 18th when all of the officers of the division new of the EXACT DATES of the super all that had to happen was flipping Div II WF from Sun to Sat and the MF from Sat to Sun. Problem solved.

The TC said it couldn't be done because it would make Sunday too long of a day. As of today there are 10 more registrants for MF than for WF.
An increase of 45 minutes in a division that has experienced the Garden State Games running to midnight.
Until yesterday, March 29th, TWO MONTHS passed without the event appearing on the NJ website. In a division with a huge youth fencing population only 16% of the registrants to the Super regional were from NJ. After intercession, and the event was posted, 16 additional NJ fencers signed up by 9 am. Clammermom, you're
appealing to the wrong person to "GROW UP."

[epeemike81]

Man, do I appreciate my division...

-m

[Allen Evans]

I, as well.

A

[oso97]

Whew - and I thought the politics in Texas was fun.

Still, perhaps this is the time to point out something I thought of a long time ago. If the people behind the proposal to split the NJ division are really serious about it, then they need to realize that they are trying to convince the WRONG set of people. FREE HINT: Check out the USFA Bylaws for the body that has the authority to engender such a split. And most of us who serve on that body are getting tired of hearing the constant whining coming out of New Jersey...

[notalent]

Still, perhaps this is the time to point out something I thought of a long time ago. If the people behind the proposal to split the NJ division are really serious about it, then they need to realize that they are trying to convince the WRONG set of people. FREE HINT: Check out the USFA Bylaws for the body that has the authority to engender such a split. And most of us who serve on that body are getting tired of hearing the constant whining coming out of New Jersey...

Which might be a reason to let them split, if I thought it would help.

[oso97]

I would generally need more reasons than "we don't like each other" to go along with a the creation of a new Division.

[KD5MDK]

I would support the creation of a division exclusively for crazy people only if one of the bylaws was they aren't allowed to contact other divisions or anyone else.

[Anotherfencingmom]

In late October or early November, the Super Regional was listed in the NJ events and tournaments dates. I know because I printed the listing because I wanted to highlight tournament that my son could enter. When I checked again in January, it was no longer listed. You would think listing the event would help the division, but someone seems to know better.