03-05-2007, 03:19 PM
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| Earning Youth Ratings in SYC's
Here's what the Athlete Handbook says:
"Changes in classifications are allowed at USFA sanctioned individual competition restricted to Veterans and to Junior fencers. Division, Section and Regional Youth and Cadet competitions must meet or exceed criteria for C1 to award changes in classification."
It doesn't say anything specific about *Super* Regional Youth competitions so I wanted to make doubly sure: Can one earn a rating in an SYC if it is only an E1/D1 competition? Or does this exception only apply for the Youth NAC and the Summer Nationals?
It seems that if you can earn national points in an SYC, they should also merit for ratings changes. But I've heard otherwise, so now I'm confused.
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03-05-2007, 03:25 PM
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| I believe the wording you quoted was composed before a distinction was made between RYCs and Super RYCs, so I suspect that the same rule applies to both (that the event must achieve C1 status to award ratings).
Even if that was not the sequence of events, I think the rule is still the same. One could probably even see the SYCs as a subset of RYCs for this purpose.
Someone in more of a position of authority on the subject could correct me if I'm wrong...
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03-05-2007, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lurkerdad  Here's what the Athlete Handbook says:
"Changes in classifications are allowed at USFA sanctioned individual competition restricted to Veterans and to Junior fencers. Division, Section and Regional Youth and Cadet competitions must meet or exceed criteria for C1 to award changes in classification."
It doesn't say anything specific about *Super* Regional Youth competitions so I wanted to make doubly sure: Can one earn a rating in an SYC if it is only an E1/D1 competition? Or does this exception only apply for the Youth NAC and the Summer Nationals?
It seems that if you can earn national points in an SYC, they should also merit for ratings changes. But I've heard otherwise, so now I'm confused. | You may earn a rating at an SYC if it is a rated tournament.
For example:
at the SYC in Pasadena one of my son's is fencing in both the Y12ME and Y12MF. http://pcsfencing.com/junior/JRPCC20...ries/y12me.htm http://pcsfencing.com/junior/JRPCC20...ries/y12mf.htm
The Y12ME is not presently a rated tournament because there is only 1 E and you cannot have an E or D rated tournament for Y12s. The Y12MF is a rated tournament because it is a C rated tournament because of the correct number of rated fencers and you may have a C rated tournament, or above for Y12s at an SYC.
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03-05-2007, 03:54 PM
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Thanks, I suspected as much. Seems kind of like an outdated rule not to include the SYC's though, given their importance in calculating youth rankings. It's not as if there are a lot of SYC's every year to cause serious ratings inflation. Like the Youth NAC, kids drive and/or fly all the way to participate in an SYC, and if they place -- even it was just a D1, let them earn a rating, for Pete's sake. Just IMHO. | |
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03-05-2007, 04:18 PM
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| They have points; points are better than ratings. | 
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03-05-2007, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eac They have points; points are better than ratings. | Coming from such a senior member of the community... Alright, alright I believe you!  | |
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03-05-2007, 05:20 PM
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| He is indeed right, for Youths points are more important than ratings (or should be).
Also, consider that ratings are all-age ratings. Just because 1 12 year old can beat 14 others of his age has very little bearing on how he will do against adults, and ratings obscure that.
Finally, many SYC events (Y14s especially) will be rated anyway. At the Houston SYC, all but one Y14 event are rated already, and the epee events are Bs. (Y14WE is one A away from being an A2) | |
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03-05-2007, 05:28 PM
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| Did no one read my post above?
The SYCs are rated if they fullfill the requirements. I gave an example of the Y12MF at Pasadena which is coming up. The SYC at NH also gave some new ratings.
Also, points are much more important at any age than ratings. Read the Handbook and see who gets seeded first - points count more than ratings for the top fencers.
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03-05-2007, 06:37 PM
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| lurkerdad directly acknowledged your post. I read it too, I was just talking about something else. Quote: |
Also, points are much more important at any age than ratings.
| I'm too old for Junior. I'm too young for Vet. I'm not rated high enough for Div I. Where's the Div3 points you think I need?  | |
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03-05-2007, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK lurkerdad directly acknowledged your post. I read it too, I was just talking about something else.
I'm too old for Junior. I'm too young for Vet. I'm not rated high enough for Div I. Where's the Div3 points you think I need? | Div III points which of course don't exist now, as you slyly imply in your post, may actually come into being in the future. It depends on which direction toward regionalization suggested by the Tournament Task Force actually, if ever, becomes policy. | |
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03-05-2007, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Soberin Div III points which of course don't exist now, as you slyly imply in your post, may actually come into being in the future. It depends on which direction toward regionalization suggested by the Tournament Task Force actually, if ever, becomes policy. | Isn't a C Division 3 points? | |
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