FIE uniform

[Harrychoi]

HI,

My children are participating in the coming World Junior Championship, I was informed that they are require to wear FIE unfiform. one of the suppliers for fencing equipment has some new old stock (2001) in hand, and are able to give great discount but the team manager advised that there is a 5 years rule on uniform.

Can anyone help me to find out more on this subject, I can not find any rules on the FIE rules book on years limited (only the manufacturer has to state year of manufacture on the lable).

your input are verymuch appricated.

Harry

[oiuyt]

There is no 5-year rule on uniforms.

Until a few years ago there was a 5-year limitation on blades. That limitation is no longer in effect.

There's currently a 2-year limitation on the lexan shield in masks which have such.

-B

[Harrychoi]

Thanks for your info

Harry

[CvilleFencer]

If the gear is Uhlmann or Allstar, the older gear is actually better. They have really cut quality and attention to detail in the newer uniforms.

[larkmaj]

You may or may not be aware that they not only need FIE uniforms (which includes mask, jacket, knickers and plastron, not lames) but also FIE blades (except in sabre). Most FIE equipment is a great investment, especially weapons as they last longer and you don't grow out of them.

[Harrychoi]

Yes, I know, Is a very heavy investment esp. in my case both of mine children are fencer (twin ) one foil and one into epee.

thanks for remining me.

Harry

[DHCJr]

There is also the new and controversial M.25. The Team must wear Identical uniforms. This means all national logos must not only be the same but they must be applied onto the breeches the same way. For example if one has theirs embroidered all have it embroidered. If one is applied as a sewn on patch, all must be sewn on. Socks must be identical. Lame’ must be identical. That can include color.

Check with the Team Manager about what socks, lame’ and logo will be used by the team. The national clothing includes the socks, the breeches, the jacket, and the conductive jacket in foil and saber. Check the lettering on the name and country for height and width of the stroke.

As was said above there is no 5-year rule.

[HDG]

How common is it for someone to make a country's team for the World Juniors without ever having been to an FIE event before?

[DHCJr]

Originally Posted by HDG

How common is it for someone to make a country's team for the World Juniors without ever having been to an FIE event before?

I am not sure I can give you a difinative answer, but I can note something. I checked the National Point standings for both Jr. and Cadet Men's Foil. The National Points determine who makes the team. Not a single point on the current list comes from international competitions. In other words, if a fencer only does international events, no matter how well they do, but does not do J.O.'s or any of the NAC's or National, they won't make the team.

[KD5MDK]

Originally Posted by HDG

How common is it for someone to make a country's team for the World Juniors without ever having been to an FIE event before?

May be more common in Hong Kong than in countries with more extensive presences on the international scene.

[Harrychoi]

Hi,

Does it means that they have to wear uniform from the same manufacturer. If it is so, it might be a problem, because members of the team are buing from different manufacturers allstar mostly for girls (because of thin fit) and LP and ulhman for boys.

Harry

[DHCJr]

They haven't got that rediculous yet.. What they were being very tight at the last Jr./Cadet Worlds is from a distance did they look like a team. For example if someone had a regular lame' and someone else had one of the Infinity lame', they are very different to look at. That would be a no-no. Or since the logo for both legs was just instituted last year the back leg was more faded then the front. That would be a no-no.

The problem is what does identical mean? I personally believe they have gone too far, but the God of Television is being worshipped and nothing else matters.

The rule is so vague, the answer could be yes. I just hope it is no.

[Harrychoi]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

May be more common in Hong Kong than in countries with more extensive presences on the international scene.

yes and No,

Because Fencing is still not a comment sport, we only get very limited support from the government, only top three ranking fencing get support (man foil, girl epee and boy and girl saber) the rest have to pay for their entry.(cost more than US$2,000)

The fencer mostly get support for Asian Game and Asian Junior Championship. (they stand better chance for good result ie getting medal, the government policy are the more medal you get the more funding you can ask for next year) that why Hong Kong team participate less on international competition.

Harry

[KD5MDK]

No, it does not. They're not that bad yet.

I checked the National Point standings for both Jr. and Cadet Men's Foil. The National Points determine who makes the team. Not a single point on the current list comes from international competitions.

I disagree. First off, we need to use the Junior MF Team standings, as those are the ones used to select the team. Link:
http://www.usfencing.org/usfa/compon...rtdown/id,417/
Look at 1st place, Garek Meinhardt. He has 4550.499 pints. (How did he get jjust under 1/2 point? I see, Div I Nationals 9th place) Add up his point totals accross the row. Total? 4315.5. Where do his extra points come from?
Scroll down to page 2, where you will see he has 264, 770, 596, 326 points from various designated Junior World Cups.

Now, all those points don't add up to his total, as you can only use your best X out of Y results, but since it's impossible for Garek to have earned all his points domesticly, it must be that some international results are used.

[DHCJr]

Thank you KD5MDK. It looks like I rushed too much.