Technical rule in Sabre

[TheShadows]

Here's a query for everyone out there (I couldn't figure out how to ask in the Rules section of the site).
In Sabre, you are allowed to cross your feet over going backwards, right? What about half a crossover - so your front foot is behind your back foot - and then stopping. Is that allowed?
If that is allowed - though unusual - are you allowed to cross forward into a normal position from that point, or is that then considered crossing feet forward?

[downunder]

Any forward crossing is illegal.

That answers your question.

[KD5MDK]

What about half a crossover - so your front foot is behind your back foot - and then stopping. Is that allowed?

Yes

If that is allowed - though unusual - are you allowed to cross forward into a normal position from that point...?

No

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Here's a query for everyone out there (I couldn't figure out how to ask in the Rules section of the site).
In Sabre, you are allowed to cross your feet over going backwards, right? What about half a crossover - so your front foot is behind your back foot - and then stopping. Is that allowed?
If that is allowed - though unusual - are you allowed to cross forward into a normal position from that point, or is that then considered crossing feet forward?

so, on the first one, we're all going to agree with "yes". and on the second one, we're all going to agree with "yes".



On the third one, don't quote me on this, my impression is that you're allowed to do it, but enough people think you're not allowed to do it so that you might potentially be carded for it. And, of course, you can appeal misapplication of the rules, but more likely than not when asked why you were carded, the ref will say you "crossed over forwards"---- and maybe even at that point not remember the way in which you crossed over, and you get to a matter of fact which isn't protestable. I mean, if you ask the questions at the right time, maybe..... but, uh, yeah.

Considering how relatively difficult it can be to change distance at that moment combined with the likely misapplication of the rules..... seems to me to be not a great idea.....

[downunder]

On the third one, don't quote me on this, my impression is that you're allowed to do it, but enough people think you're not allowed to do it so that you might potentially be carded for it. And, of course, you can appeal misapplication of the rules, but more likely than not when asked why you were carded, the ref will say you "crossed over forwards"---- and maybe even at that point not remember the way in which you crossed over, and you get to a matter of fact which isn't protestable. I mean, if you ask the questions at the right time, maybe..... but, uh, yeah.

Considering how relatively difficult it can be to change distance at that moment combined with the likely misapplication of the rules..... seems to me to be not a great idea.....

Its not a misapplication of the rules. Grand Prix referees have told me that it is illegal.

[sabreur]

Yes


No

Word.

[noodle]

Here's a query for everyone out there (I couldn't figure out how to ask in the Rules section of the site).
In Sabre, you are allowed to cross your feet over going backwards, right? What about half a crossover - so your front foot is behind your back foot - and then stopping. Is that allowed?
If that is allowed - though unusual - are you allowed to cross forward into a normal position from that point, or is that then considered crossing feet forward?

the thing that makes the crossover forward illegal is the forward.
once you stop the backward motion and start going forward, the crossing becomes illegal.

finish your backward motion and then use advances

[fencerbill]

Its not a misapplication of the rules. Grand Prix referees have told me that it is illegal.

And when you compete in FIE Grand Prix events, worry about it.

Until then, fahgeddabout it.

My observations at NACs and Summer Nationals is that very few referees even notice blatant crossovers in the middle of forward progress.

From a pedagogical standpoint you should never find yourself stopping where you are not in a balanced position, ready to either move forward or backward. So it shouldn't come up.

So worry about that, being ready to move either way. Don't unnecessarily concern yourself about whether you might stop with your weapon side foot behind your other foot.

[Inquartata]

And, the poll is you-know-what, because you asked more than one question, and they call for contradictory answers...

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Its not a misapplication of the rules. Grand Prix referees have told me that it is illegal.

ok, then the people who have told me it's ok (I honestly don't remember who/how many/where i've heard what from, just that I've heard conflicts on it) are misapplying the rules, and you might NOT get penalized on it.

but you still shouldn't do it.

[fences_like_a_lemur]

My observations at NACs and Summer Nationals is that very few referees even notice blatant crossovers in the middle of forward progress.

That is the unfortunate truth.

To answer the original question -again-:

You can't cross your feet going forwards; but you can cross them going backwards.