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    Yike! JO times AND DAYs changed!

    I don't want this to get overlooked deep in the JO thread, so I'm posting it a second time on its own.

    This has got to be a royal screw up of communications somewhere.
    Got an email today from an Ashley Razo, "USFA National Events Coordinator", with information on the JOs, and the days and check-in times are dramatically different from what's still posted on the USFA Web site! Only Men's Epee seems to be unchanged.

    The Women's events are completely hosed; all on new days!!

    - Junior Men's Foil is from 7-8 am Friday; 5 1/2 hours earlier than the web site time.

    - Cadet Men's Foil is from 8-9 am Sunday; 1 hour later

    - Cadet Men's Sabre is 9:30-10:30 am Friday; 2 1/2 hours later

    - Junior Men's Saber is 1-2 pm Sunday; 1 hour later

    - Junior Women's Epee is 12-1 pm on Friday; a different day!

    - Cadet Women's Epee is 10:30-11:30 am Sunday; a different day!

    - Junior Women's Foil is 12-1 pm Saturday; a different day!

    - Cadet Women's Foil is 11:30 am-12:30 pm Monday; a different day!

    - Junior Women's Sabre is 7-8 am Monday; a different day!

    - Cadet Women's Sabre is 9:30-10:30 am Saturday; a different day!

    (I think I've transcribed all this correctly. Apologies if not.)

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    Major WTF?

    edit: that needs more emphasis. W. T. F.

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    Mass confusion reigns supreme! I predict it will be a VERY interesting JOs.....any bets on how many kids will be there on the wrong days?

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    I know a junior female foilist arriving at 2 pm Saturday. Her event starting two hours before she gets there could be a problem.

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    From the JO page of the USFA website:

    "Note: The tournament confirmation materials contain the only official schedule. In the case of any discrepancy between the confirmation materials and the website, the schedule in the confirmation materials will prevail."

    The website schedule is consistent with the confirmation materials schedule.

    As far as I can tell, there has not been a mass email sent to the entrants telling them otherwise, so I've got to believe that the original schedule is still in effect.

    Maybe Ashley Razo's email was regarding the 2008 JOs (you know, getting the schedule out early) or possibly was meant for the Special Olympics, not Junior Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foildad View Post
    From the JO page of the USFA website:

    "Note: The tournament confirmation materials contain the only official schedule. In the case of any discrepancy between the confirmation materials and the website, the schedule in the confirmation materials will prevail."

    The website schedule is consistent with the confirmation materials schedule.

    As far as I can tell, there has not been a mass email sent to the entrants telling them otherwise, so I've got to believe that the original schedule is still in effect.

    Maybe Ashley Razo's email was regarding the 2008 JOs (you know, getting the schedule out early) or possibly was meant for the Special Olympics, not Junior Olympics.
    Below is the email I received in its entirety; mailed to a collective email address "USFENCING@USFencing.org". It included three attachements: JO_CloseofReg.doc
    JO Athlete Information Packet.pdf
    JO Officials Information.pdf
    ___________________

    January 30, 2007

    Greetings from the United States Fencing Association:

    Please find the Athlete Information, Check In Times, and Officials Information attached. There are 1674 total individual athletes attending this year's Junior Olympics! There will be four booths at the check-in area in the lobby outside Exhibit Hall A.

    The four booths will be:
    Coaches/Information
    Epee
    Foil
    Saber
    Please line up according to your weapon at the corresponding check-in time.

    Weapons check will be open each day of the competition at 7:00 am. Competitors with events on Friday may have their weapons checked from 3:00 - 6:00 pm on Thursday at the venue IF the sep-up for the tournament has been completed. The Exhibit Hall will be open to athletes at 7:00 am each competition day.

    The following 14 venders will be attending:

    Athos Equipment D'escrime
    Big For Our Britches
    Blade Fencing Equipment Inc.
    Blue Gauntlet Fencing Gear Inc.
    Fencepbt.Com Inc.
    Fencesmart
    Fencing.Net
    Leon Paul Usa
    Marx Enterprises
    SG Fencing Inc.
    Sword Masters LLC
    Team IP
    The Fencing Post
    Triplette Competition Arms

    Keep in mind the constant changing weather in Colorado. The average temperatures for Denver in mid-February are:

    High: 47°F
    Low: 19°F
    (From weather.com)

    Walking Directions from the Adams Mark Hotel to the Colorado Convention Center:

    · Go out to 16th Street and take a left
    · Take another left onto California, go two blocks
    · The Convention Center is at the intersection of 14th and California

    See you in Denver!

    Ashley Razo

    National Events Coordinator
    US Fencing Association
    (P) 719-866-4511
    (F) 719-632-5737

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    I just got the email too. This is crazy. "1674 individual athletes" probably represents over 2000 already booked plane reservations when you count parents. Fortunately this will be only a minor disruption for our family, but I know others who may cancel their trip if this schedule holds.

    Tommorrow morning the sh*t is going to hit the fan.

    Thanks, JMcC, for bringing this info forward.

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    Further confusing matters, in the USFA email two attachments give conflicting information. the "JO_Athlete_Information_Packet.pdf" re-states the old schedule and the "JOs_CloseofReg.doc" states the new one. I think its safe to say that there will be a few problems.

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    If this is true, I know a couple of people who are going to be VERY upset. =(
    "When your opponent fears you, then's the moment when you give the fear its own rein, give it the time to work on him. Let it become terror. The terrified man fights himself. Eventually he attacks in desperation. That is the most dangerous moment, but the terrified man can be trusted usually to make a fatal mistake. You are being trained here to detect these mistakes and use them."
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    Junior, Cadet, what's the difference

    I looked at the two different schedules side by side, and I think the main difference is that for several weapons the Junior and Cadet were switched. That is an easy mistake to make, if you don't know the difference between a 15 year old and a 19 year old, say. Does Ashley Razo know that there is a difference?

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    The men's events all seem to be on the right days at least...

    I replied to Ashley's email giving her the heads up about this...

    I'm sure I'm not the first, but on the off chance that no one else replied, I figured it would be prudent to point out the problem...

    Now we get to sit back and see what happens.

    I'm glad I'm not a parent trying to get my kid to the right event...

    -w

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    Pardon my ignorance, but who is Ashley Razo? I got that email yesterday also and almost deleted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4qtrs View Post
    Pardon my ignorance, but who is Ashley Razo? I got that email yesterday also and almost deleted it.
    Look at the signature at the bottom of the email.

    She is the "National Events Coordinator."

    She works in the national office in Colorado Springs.

    -w

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    I did see that, but is she new? Maybe I am just to used to seeing Christine's name on the emails.

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    The email was just recalled.

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    And there was much rejoicing.

    (Yaaayy....)

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    Response from Ashley:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley Razo
    Hello Wayne,

    Thank you for catching this error. The correct check-in days and times are posted on the website and in the email sent this morning.

    Ashley Razo

    National Events Coordinator
    ... crisis averted... (hopefully).

    -w

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    Similar response from Christine Simmons (I'd sent my equivalent message to both her and Ashley).

    I strongly suspect they got a significant number of such emails yesterday... :)

    -B
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    Christine says these are the times

    Corrected document file attached.

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    I believe Ashley is the very nice young lady who has been trailing Christine the last several tournaments. She is very helpful, works hard, and is learning. Anyone who tries to follow Christine around would be exhausted. Christine quite obviously needed some more help, and Ashley is that help I believe.

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