01-17-2007, 11:59 PM
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#1 | | Just Joined
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| question about jackets
must jackets be white (or yellow from use?) or can we get creative and oh say tiedye them and still be legal? We were wondering this yesterday when I said how cool that would be (I'm an avid tiedyer  )
Oh the mental games a flashie jacket (for epee, so no lame to cover up the masterpeice) could play! | 
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01-18-2007, 12:08 AM
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#2 | | Member
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Originally Posted by Deka  must jackets be white (or yellow from use?) or can we get creative and oh say tiedye them and still be legal? We were wondering this yesterday when I said how cool that would be (I'm an avid tiedyer )
Oh the mental games a flashie jacket (for epee, so no lame to cover up the masterpeice) could play! | No, uniforms do not have to be uniform white. You can go crazy on your practice uniform though.
edited my opinion
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01-18-2007, 12:23 AM
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#3 | | Madness?
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Originally Posted by Brandj No, uniforms have to be uniform white. You can go crazy on your practice uniform though. | I believe the regulation is a uniform color other than black, but I am too lazy to actually find out. | |
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01-18-2007, 12:24 AM
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#4 | | Scrub
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Originally Posted by Brandj No, uniforms have to be uniform white. You can go crazy on your practice uniform though. | No, read the rules. M.25.3 to be precise. | 
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01-18-2007, 12:28 AM
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#5 | | Member
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Characteristics of the clothing. Fencers' clothing must be made of sufficiently robust material and be clean and in good condition.
The material from which the equipment is made must not have a surface which is smooth enough to cause the point or the opponent's touch to glance off (cf. m.30).
Clothing must be made entirely in cloth able to resist a pressure of 800 Newtons. Very particular attention must be paid to the way the seams under the armpits, if there are any, are made. An undergarment consisting of a protective under-plastron covering the vital upper areas of the body (following the design given in Appendix A to these Rules, 'Safety norms for manufacturers') resistant to 800 Newtons is also mandatory.
| This part? It does not say anything about color.
I was always under the impression that the clothing had to be of a white-ish color.
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01-18-2007, 12:32 AM
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#6 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Brandj This part? It does not say anything about color.
I was always under the impression that the clothing had to be of a white-ish color. | Counting down to Inq's response in 5, 4.... | |
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01-18-2007, 01:17 AM
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#7 | | Senior Member
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| They changed the rule last year or something, or maybe that was just the FIE. Someone can do a search if they're interested. Quote: |
Originally Posted by the rest of the rule that was quoted before Fencers’ clothing may be of different colors, apart from black.
Note: At USFA local, divisional, and sectional competitions,
there are no restrictions on colors or decorations on uniforms,
providing that the uniforms still comply with all other
requirements. | | |
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01-18-2007, 09:37 AM
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#8 | | Senior Member
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| Hm... I thought that any color was legal, as long as it was a solid color other than black (IE no tie-die, polka dots, etc). I was probably missinformed... live and learn.
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01-18-2007, 10:08 AM
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#9 | | Armorer
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| As stated above the rule in M.25.3. may be of different colors, except for black. In other words you could have pink and green and purple. There used to be a single color on the body, but it was changed this year as stated above.
One of the controversy, since this came from the Executive Committee is Dark Blue is one of the colors you can use. Your name and Country must be in Dark Blue. This has caused some concerns.
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01-18-2007, 11:40 AM
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#10 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Colored jackets: Legally STUPID!
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01-18-2007, 11:44 AM
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#11 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Colored jackets: Legally STUPID!
( Just for you Sam! ) | What TOOK you so long???  | |
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01-18-2007, 12:16 PM
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#12 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Hey, just YOU try shaving in the morning with neither a mirror nor a Renfield! It's time-consuming!
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01-18-2007, 12:36 PM
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#13 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DHCJr As stated above the rule in M.25.3. may be of different colors, except for black. In other words you could have pink and green and purple. There used to be a single color on the body, but it was changed this year as stated above.
One of the controversy, since this came from the Executive Committee is Dark Blue is one of the colors you can use. Your name and Country must be in Dark Blue. This has caused some concerns. | That would be awesome. Then I could foil the FIEs attempt at revealing my true name to the public. Then I would just have to mirror my visor mask and I would be totally anonymous.
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01-18-2007, 12:52 PM
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#14 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by rcmatthews That would be awesome. Then I could foil the FIEs attempt at revealing my true name to the public. Then I would just have to mirror my visor mask and I would be totally anonymous. | I forgot to mention one other part of M.25.3 that may stop you. M.25.3.e 'There shall only be one national uniform per country. Unless your the only American at that competition, you must all wear the identical socks (Note: for the discussion on Collegiate Socks thread), breaches, jacket and lame' for Foil and Sabre. You may get away with it at a World Cup that has no team competition.
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01-18-2007, 01:51 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member
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Characteristics of the clothing. Fencers' clothing must be made of sufficiently robust material and be clean and in good condition.
| Clean? Does that mean, as a referee, I can make someone change their jacket because it's dirty? Or better yet, smelly?
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01-18-2007, 02:03 PM
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#16 | | Fencing Expert
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Originally Posted by mifencer Clean? Does that mean, as a referee, I can make someone change their jacket because it's dirty? Or better yet, smelly? | Or call the technical experts over to do the tests required to determine whether or not the uniform is clean.
"Here, Armorer. Smell THIS! Whatcha think?"
Of course the years of using acetone and other fun chemicals have completely deadened the olfactory senses of such creatures, so I'm not sure it'll really work all that well.
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01-18-2007, 02:18 PM
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| Ah, yes, we have failed masks and other items because the smell made it impossible to get close enough to test it. | |
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01-18-2007, 02:24 PM
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#18 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| If an armorer has a problem with the smell, it's obviously unacceptable. | |
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01-18-2007, 02:34 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK If an armorer has a problem with the smell, it's obviously unacceptable. | Make it smell like beer......it'll pass! | |
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01-18-2007, 03:43 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
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| Hmmm, well, maybe for beer.
Definitely for 12 year old single malt scotch | |
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