12-29-2006, 05:04 PM
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#22 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by erik_blank  I have had a number of sabers break at the shoulder/tang interface because I kept over torquing them to "keep them tight", | Were the tangs bent to impart a cant to the blade, or were they straight?
I know that on "real" swords, good ones of good steel where the tang is forged of a piece with the blades, one can still get breaks right there at the join unless the shoulders are carefully relieved---ie, the often sharp 90-degree angles there are rounded out a bit with a file. Maybe the same thing is going on with sabre blades.
Still, as I said, I have only had maybe 2 sabres snap at the guard in over 20 years of fencing. ( I do tighten my pommels as tight as I can get them. ) Whereas my coach and others I know who bend their tangs seem to lose about 9 out of 10 of theirs with breaks there.
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01-02-2007, 07:08 AM
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#23 | | Senior Member
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| FWIW all LP foils are made from a single piece of steel rather than having the tang welded on.
I have not seen an LP foil break at the shoulder and this is probably why.
Most blades are hardened in a one step process, ie the whole thing is heated and then quenched at once. This means that in many blades the whole thing including the tang is very hard. This is not optimal as really, you want a soft tang that can be bent and cut relatively easily. At lp our foils are hardened in a purpose built machine which allows you to harden different parts of the blade at different temperatures. | |
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01-07-2007, 06:32 PM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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| heavy golubitsky
I've seen mine break at the shoulder. the blade was so heavy and unwieldy that I tried to cant it so many different ways but eventually it broke. i purchased it mail order some years ago fully mounted so I didn't choose it.
I can't say I've seen one break at the shoulder DURING a bout or something. but I have seen one break at the shoulder.
I do hope that at nationals we will see a greater selection of blades to choose from this year. I would love to buy a LP blade but haven't as of yet been able to find one I like.
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01-08-2007, 02:06 AM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by fatfencer I can't say I've seen one break at the shoulder DURING a bout or something. but I have seen one break at the shoulder. | I have...a sabre at 98 PCCs (one of my teammates) and a foil in salle about three months later (another temamate)
Both cases were very funny...the MOMENT there was a parry, the parrying blade just fell apart with a LOUD clatter! | |
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01-08-2007, 11:24 AM
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#26 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer I have...a sabre at 98 PCCs (one of my teammates) and a foil in salle about three months later (another temamate)
Both cases were very funny...the MOMENT there was a parry, the parrying blade just fell apart with a LOUD clatter! | The best break at the shoulder of a blade that I've ever seen was in my first USFA tournament... Epeemike81 was fencing, went for a flick on his opponents hand, and didn't hit anything... however, at that moment, the blade decided it was done living. The blade just fell to the floor, followed by the bell, which then proceeded to roll down to the end of the gym and clatter against a door. Mike was left holding the grip, tang, bell pad, pommel nut and socket...
still the best blade break I've ever seen.
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01-08-2007, 04:47 PM
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#27 | | Senior Member
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| Ahh... my favorite was one where an Epee fencer of ours (also named Mike, but he really fences epee) went and beat his opponent's blade near the guard. Now, it was just a beat. Not that hard. But his opponent's weapon exploded right at the shoulder, so all he was holding was the grip and the thumb pad.
We dubbed that weapon of Mike's Excalibur.
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01-08-2007, 05:01 PM
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#28 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe The best break at the shoulder of a blade that I've ever seen was in my first USFA tournament... Epeemike81 was fencing, went for a flick on his opponents hand, and didn't hit anything... however, at that moment, the blade decided it was done living. The blade just fell to the floor, followed by the bell, which then proceeded to roll down to the end of the gym and clatter against a door. Mike was left holding the grip, tang, bell pad, pommel nut and socket...
still the best blade break I've ever seen.
-w | Heh....kinda like teh best NON-blade break i saw...Mike Tiffany and Terry Buchinsky in foil.
They came together and their guards passed each other,then locked together as they withdrew...mike pulled terry's guard right off the front of the weapon!
The guard's rolling merrily across th floor, Terry's got a perfectly functioning weapon held together, and Tiffany's on the floor laughing his head off. | |
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