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B-Pa · 12-11-2006, 01:48 PM

Hi All,

I've found that posting questions here gets a lot faster response then asking the USFA

Somebody from Canada would like to fence in the Hawaii open. They have a CFF licence and a rating. I have no idea what the rating system is like in Canada. Do they need to join the FIE or USFA in order to fence? The Hawaii open is part of the PCS points circuit so we need to stay within the rules.

Thanks for your help.

introspective · 12-11-2006, 02:37 PM

http://www.usfahawaii.org/frmHome.aspx

Use the link above to find out information about the Hawaii Open. I have to say, that the more seasoned coaches such as Tony and Colin[i]are not listed as officers. If you're looking for coaches that you already know but don't know where they have gone: T.N. is over at that Honwgonji Temple punishing himself. I would have stayed on with his class, he really is a doll in many ways - I had hoped that BOb who alway's fenced so well would step up to the plate and start coaching, but ALAS, he quit fencing. All the other notables have either stopped fencing or have left. So many of the good hawaii fencers have stopped.

But your safest bet as you can tell from my hedging around is to use the link above and follow the instructions as printed.

oiuyt · 12-11-2006, 02:40 PM

Ignoring Introspective's non-useful response....

Anyone with a CFF license may compete in USFA events (excepting National Championships and the qualifiers to them). They may enter the same way anyone else (with a USFA membership) does so.

-B

introspective · 12-11-2006, 02:44 PM

It's useful!!!! Follow the link..and..save Tony!

B-Pa · 12-11-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by introspective

It's useful!!!! Follow the link..and..save Tony!

I am the link. I'm an officer of the Hawaii Division and am in charge of the registration for the Hawaii Open. I got an email from a Sabre fencer who lives in Canada and will be on vacation in Hawaii during the Hawaii Open and wanted to know if he could fence with his CFF membership or if he needed to join the FIE. I posted the question here becasue I've found that I get results much faster using this forum. Oh and Tony is my coach.

Thanks

B-Pa · 12-11-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

Ignoring Introspective's non-useful response....

Anyone with a CFF license may compete in USFA events (excepting National Championships and the qualifiers to them). They may enter the same way anyone else (with a USFA membership) does so.

-B

Thanks Mr Oiuyt, that's exactly the info I was looking for. Would you happen to know if their rating system is the same as the USFA or would he have to fence as a U.

Thanks again

introspective · 12-11-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Pa

I am the link. I'm an officer of the Hawaii Division and am in charge of the registration for the Hawaii Open. I got an email from a Sabre fencer who lives in Canada and will be on vacation in Hawaii during the Hawaii Open and wanted to know if he could fence with his CFF membership or if he needed to join the FIE. I posted the question here becasue I've found that I get results much faster using this forum. Oh and Tony is my coach.

Thanks

You must be Mike....good luck Mike. I hope you do well how's that girth?

oiuyt · 12-11-2006, 03:06 PM

They have a different system that also has A-B-C-D levels. I would treat it as equivalent, although he'll still likely be underseeded (it's significantly harder to get an A/B in Canada than in the US). The athlete's handbook has the system that the USFA uses to generate classification-equivalents for foreign fencers for NACs. Rediculously underseeds them, IMO (an A-equivalent requires a top-8 finish at a world cup, etc.).

-B

B-Pa · 12-11-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by introspective

You must be Mike....good luck Mike. I hope you do well how's that girth?

Nope, I'm the administrative part of the team, I do all the paperwork and run the computer and the website. Mike is the operations man, he handles all the equpment, strips, Directors and such. I would have asked Mike this question but He's not back from the NAC yet.

dberke · 12-11-2006, 04:34 PM

We have a lot of Canadian fencers come to events here in Seattle, so I'm pretty familiar with this problem...

A lot of the Canadian fencers are on record as having US ratings. We report ratings earned by Canadians to the USFA like any other rating. I'm not sure if the USFA tracks ratings for CFF members, but they do seem to recognize them. For example, there is a Canadian epeeist who comes down here often and has earned a US A several times at our events. He was seeded at the Richmond NAC as having an A06. I don't believe he has a Canadian A, so the USFA is obviously recognizing his US rating.

Dan

KD5MDK · 12-12-2006, 06:29 AM

Are you sure he never bought a USFA membership? I have the impression some Canadian fencers have done so in order to earn and retain US ratings.

B-Pa · 12-12-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Are you sure he never bought a USFA membership? I have the impression some Canadian fencers have done so in order to earn and retain US ratings.

Hiya,

No he only has a CFF membership, I've been emailing with his mother. He's a 16 year old D rated Sabre fencer and fences at the University of Alberta. I was talking with somebody from our section and I guess the USFA has a reciprocal agreement with the CFF. You may fence in a CFF event with a USFA membership and vice versa. (as long as its not a qualifier) Anyway thanks for your help. I think we have it squared away.

introspective · 12-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Pa

Nope, I'm the administrative part of the team, I do all the paperwork and run the computer and the website. Mike is the operations man, he handles all the equpment, strips, Directors and such. I would have asked Mike this question but He's not back from the NAC yet.

Oh then my apologies, he must've lost his 'girth'. At any rating......I'm glad to know that there is reciprocity with Canada. There is also the option of becoming a member of the USFA at the site. Which is a nice way of supporting USA fencing. He may be interested. Especiallly at 16 he has a longer future in fencing than some of us!

[retired fencer - but I still remember the drill]

p.s. I'm thinking of going to watch the old crowd. I really wish everyone the very best - Go Hawaii - show those other fencers what we're all a-about.

B-Pa · 12-12-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by introspective

Oh then my apologies, he must've lost his 'girth'.
p.s. I'm thinking of going to watch the old crowd. I really wish everyone the very best - Go Hawaii - show those other fencers what we're all a-about.

He wasn't fencing at the NAC, he works for The Fencing Post so he was there working. I'll see him over at his club tomorrow night so I'll let him know you were concerned about his girth.

introspective · 12-12-2006, 07:53 PM

Please don't!!! While I love the Fencing Post - but 'the girth' fouled up my foils just before Hawaii Open.......Grrrrrrrrr - the glue he used didn't stick and all the wires popped out on the piste!!

Grrrrrrrrrr -

B-Pa · 12-12-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by introspective

Please don't!!! While I love the Fencing Post - but 'the girth' fouled up my foils just before Hawaii Open.......Grrrrrrrrr - the glue he used didn't stick and all the wires popped out on the piste!!

Grrrrrrrrrr -

I thought you used to order from Santelli or the Blue Gauntlet. Ok mums the word I won't say anything to Mike but I'm sure he'd love to hear from his old fencing buddy. I think he still has the scar where you whacked him over the head.

introspective · 12-12-2006, 09:36 PM

I love Santelli! I like Blue Gauntlet, I like the Post, I love American, they all have something to offer. I like Leon Paul's stuff as well. I had a mish-mash of alot of stuff, must have been at least a dozen weapons from different places, jackets, jackets, one pair of shoes, one pair of knickers, and an old pair of dirty knee socks.

But no, he does not have a scar! I tapped him very lightly with my epee in a bout on the mask and he

boo-hooed a-bout it. The bout I really worried about was when I warmed up one of the teenagers for saber and side-cutted him to the head.....I heard it reverb around the room. He did okay though, it was gracefully done, but I scared myself silly and away from saber forever.