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Wafath · 12-05-2006, 04:17 PM

So, the list of schools that may attend the 07 USACFC has been published. (I have updated my maps here..)

Does anyone have the homepage of the "Redlands (OK)" school on the list. The only place I could find was a community college.

A few observations. The following teams were there last year and not on the list this year:

GA Tech
U Chicago
Tufts
BGSU
JMU

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erooMynohtnA · 12-05-2006, 05:11 PM

Yeah, BGSU also cancelled their attendence at a dual meet at Northwestern. I don't know why.

seven6ty · 12-05-2006, 05:17 PM

Usacfc???

erooMynohtnA · 12-05-2006, 05:21 PM

United States Association of Collegiate Fencing Clubs

There's been some talk of it before.

MyrddinsPrecint · 12-05-2006, 05:46 PM

I have to imagine that the Tufts men are feeling a bit inferior-- First they're not varsity, now they don't get nationals....

mrbiggs · 12-05-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

I have to imagine that the Tufts men are feeling a bit inferior-- First they're not varsity, now they don't get nationals....

We voted that it wasn't worth it to go. We'll definitely be there next year in any case.

MyrddinsPrecint · 12-05-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbiggs

We voted that it wasn't worth it to go. We'll definitely be there next year in any case.

I like my inferiority complex idea better. :P

Will you even bother staying in a hotel??

DJ Apostrophe · 12-05-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

I like my inferiority complex idea better. :P

Will you even bother staying in a hotel??

Probably not... it would make it easier for them to break rule #1... AGAIN... if they did.

-w

TooLoftheDeviL · 12-05-2006, 09:31 PM

Figured here was a good a place as any to report a tiny error on the map.

The zip code for Clemson is 29631

Wafath · 12-06-2006, 03:16 PM

Updates:

1) U. Chicago was accidently left off the list as a clerical error. They are in.

2) Added redlands (Redlands Community College. go figure.)

3) corrected Clemson's zip. (Zip code is there as a first guess for geolocation, and it is just so darn usefull when doing this sort of thing.)

The word is that the new Texas schools may choose to not attend championships; Traveling in-state is cheaper than traveling to Indiana.

Adding the schools left out, and making assumptions about schools, that gives us 40. On paper, four of them are men only, and one of them is women only. Last year there were four men's teams per every three women's teams, so I will believe about 39 men's, 30 women's.

Any word on the number of strips they can put down at Indiana?

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whtouche · 12-06-2006, 05:16 PM

Any word on a format change that will hopefully make this beast of a tournament run faster?

MyrddinsPrecint · 12-06-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whtouche

Any word on a format change that will hopefully make this beast of a tournament run faster?

HA HA HA HA no.

Or rather,

HA HA HA HA --- officially, no.

Or, at the very least,

HA HA HA HA --- officially, nothing obviously worded that I've heard, and I'm on every mailing that these things should be sent to.

I have this feeling that The Powers That Be have a very good idea what format will be. That may or may not be because members of the proletariat have absorbed me into their skeptical ways.

It may also be because I desperatly hope that even if the process is in no way democratic, I hope (for everyone's sake) that there is at least a process of some sort.

I had a conversation with someone at the very beginging of the year that you obviously train as hard as you can for a tournament, that when you get to nationals, you fence as hard as you can.... and that yes, format doesn't really matter. But it really does, in some ways, matter. Smith currently has either one or two slots for three sabre fencers equally good (or, Ben, equally bad)---- but definatly equally inexperienced. And they all do well (or not) under conditions we can easily observe. And the format will probably affect who we take. And we will have to buy the plane tickets at some point.

A formally announced format would be good at some point before then, kthxpls.

reawl · 12-07-2006, 12:04 AM

It should also be noted that AFIK Xavier and Miami of Ohio should be part of the Midwest Fencing Conference. Though I suppose it is possible that they failed to get their conference dues in on time and that's why you've excluded them.

And U of Illinois is under a probationary (read: introductory, not penalty) membership of the MFC as well. I don't know how you'd color code that on your map, but I thought it should be added.

~Will
Head Coach at Purdue University

oiuyt · 12-07-2006, 09:40 AM

Also note that Bruce Capin lists the MACFA/SAC schools as representing SAC, despite the fact that MACFA by-laws specify that conference has primacy over other affiliations (or at least did, I don't know what changes have been made over the past 8 years). You have such schools listed as MACFA first.

Some of the NIWFA schools aren't listed as such (UVa, Florida, Stoneybrook, probably others).

Shouldn't matter unless conferences start becoming part of a qualification system (yes, there are LOTS of issues with doing so -- sepearte thread topic), as keeps getting raised as a possiblity.

-B

Wafath · 12-07-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by reawl

It should also be noted that AFIK Xavier and Miami of Ohio should be part of the Midwest Fencing Conference. Though I suppose it is possible that they failed to get their conference dues in on time and that's why you've excluded them.

And U of Illinois is under a probationary (read: introductory, not penalty) membership of the MFC as well. I don't know how you'd color code that on your map, but I thought it should be added.

They were left out because I didn't know. Everything on the map is based on web research, what people have told me, or my own personal knowledge. And I only claim to know about mid-atlantic conferences.

Thanks, and I have updated the map.

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clonardo · 12-07-2006, 11:34 AM

The Stony Brook team and I are really interested in seeing the level of competition in the USACFC. Out whole men's team has competitive experience, but we're only familiar with a couple of schools on that list.

Compared to, say, the Temple Open- what should we expect from the big USACFC event?

MyrddinsPrecint · 12-07-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by clonardo

The Stony Brook team and I are really interested in seeing the level of competition in the USACFC. Out whole men's team has competitive experience, but we're only familiar with a couple of schools on that list.

Compared to, say, the Temple Open- what should we expect from the big USACFC event?

I can't say much about the Temple Open, or the Men's event at all, but in my experience, the women's event is very similar to the NIWFA conference (which your women attended very recently...)

There are a lot of inexperienced/incomplete teams, some teams in the middle, a couple of teams that are pretty damn solid, and a large number of teams that are stronger on some squads than others, and have one or two significantly better fencers.

Pretty much the entire day ends up being a mind **** where you have no idea if there's anyone to fence at the next school, and whether they'll be any good at all. And sometimes you lose against the bad people, and sometimes you win against the good people.

Y'know, it's just a normal fencing day.