Question on NCAA college fencing - clubs vs. college teams

[C.I.C.]

In this year's Temple and Penn State opens results, there are male fencers from Cornell listed; but the info I see everywhere (Cornell's web site, NCAA site etc). states that Cornell has no men's fencing.

Are these Cornell men from a local club? If so, does this mean they cannot compete in the NCAA championships or NCAA Divisional events?

[erooMynohtnA]

www.cornellfencing.com

[MyrddinsPrecint]

their webpage appears to not be working.

The deal is that due to title 9 issues, there is a women's varsity program and a men's club program. It's funded by the school (one assumes), and it's definatly a school sponsered activity, but it's not a local club, and they also can't compete in NCAA championships. They can and do, however, compete in USACFC nationals.

[C.I.C.]

www.cornellfencing.com

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[Beowulfman6]

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It works for me.

I know there are good reasons for the arrangement they have at cornell, but it seems to me that if they already were paying a coach's sallary, travell, and other expenses for the ladies they might as well go ahead and have a six-weapon team. Wierd.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

It works for me.

I know there are good reasons for the arrangement they have at cornell, but it seems to me that if they already were paying a coach's sallary, travell, and other expenses for the ladies they might as well go ahead and have a six-weapon team. Wierd.

It actually wasn't working earlier in the day for me, but it is now. Not that unusual for fencing websites these days : D

............ Are you expecting NCAA rules and regulations to make sense as it applies to fencing???????????????????

[teamusaepee]

When I was there I was under the impression that the women's varsity team would have also been long gone were it not for a private endowment... could be wrong...

Perhaps the money (and participation numbers that are used in title IX) that could have gone to a single men's fencing coach, travel, etc. is being spent on the 99 football players + 11 coaches and the 80 sprint football players + 7 coaches... unfortunately its more important to win in these more popular sports than it is to have more sports available.

[trazom]

Perhaps the money (and participation numbers that are used in title IX) that could have gone to a single men's fencing coach, travel, etc. is being spent on the 99 football players + 11 coaches and the 80 sprint football players + 7 coaches... unfortunately its more important to win in these more popular sports than it is to have more sports available.

Gee, and here I thought at Cornell the only sport that they cared about was hockey...

[rcmatthews]

When I was there I was under the impression that the women's varsity team would have also been long gone were it not for a private endowment... could be wrong...

Perhaps the money (and participation numbers that are used in title IX) that could have gone to a single men's fencing coach, travel, etc. is being spent on the 99 football players + 11 coaches and the 80 sprint football players + 7 coaches... unfortunately its more important to win in these more popular sports than it is to have more sports available.

Football is also one of the few collegiate sports that generates profit, generally providing the funds for the rest of the sports.

[LeftyEpee]

I know there are good reasons for the arrangement they have at cornell, but it seems to me that if they already were paying a coach's sallary, travell, and other expenses for the ladies they might as well go ahead and have a six-weapon team. Wierd.

I was always under the impression that the main difference between club and varsity sports was that varsity sports had or could have scholarship athletes. Which is probably more costly than a coach and travel.

[seak]

Nope, Div 3 varsity programs aren't allowed to give scholarships in any sport. The main difference between Div 1 (and to a lesser extent Div 2) and everyone else is that they are allowed to give scholarships.

Div 3 varsity teams however generally recieve better funding then club teams, however the better club teams in the country are comparable to many div 3 varsity teams in terms of fencing ability.

As a side note on Cornell: They Ivy's though they are div 1 do not give out athletic scholarships in any sport