11-17-2006, 01:38 PM
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| One can win a bout without scoring....
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11-17-2006, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt  One can win a bout without scoring....
-B | Yes, but much like life it's a lot less fun that way.
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11-17-2006, 01:55 PM
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| If one, non 14-14 blown call loses you the bout, you probably didn't deserve to win in the first place.
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11-17-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 well, this problem is easily solved just by putting repeaters on every strip... | Right, we've just gotten to the point where score/time machines are standard at NACs, and you're already agitating for repeaters.... :)
And if you're just talking about practice bouts (aka local tournaments), who cares?
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11-17-2006, 03:47 PM
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#25 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by RebelFencer If one, non 14-14 blown call loses you the bout, you probably didn't deserve to win in the first place. | neither does the person who won it, though | |
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11-17-2006, 03:48 PM
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#26 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Right, we've just gotten to the point where score/time machines are standard at NACs, and you're already agitating for repeaters.... 
And if you're just talking about practice bouts (aka local tournaments), who cares?
-B | should just have really bright overhead lights that illuminate the strip with color when a touch is scored.
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that actually sounds really cool... | |
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11-17-2006, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Right, we've just gotten to the point where score/time machines are standard at NACs, and you're already agitating for repeaters....
And if you're just talking about practice bouts (aka local tournaments), who cares?
-B | nah, just trying to get some play for Dave's latest improvement...
PdF now has repeaters on every strip.
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11-17-2006, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 nah, just trying to get some play for Dave's latest improvement...
PdF now has repeaters on every strip.
-m | Ah, so that's what was different. My brain was still jet-lagged enough that it only registered that *something* had changed. | |
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11-17-2006, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle should just have really bright overhead lights that illuminate the strip with color when a touch is scored.
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that actually sounds really cool... |
Right, and then it'll suddenly become that much more confusing when the focus is off and the strip across the table turns a light on. | |
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11-17-2006, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle neither does the person who won it, though | *shrugs* If it's just one point then they obviously were doing something right for all their other points. I'm just talking about one blown call though, completely incompetent refs aren't included.
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11-17-2006, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Right, and then it'll suddenly become that much more confusing when the focus is off and the strip across the table turns a light on. | shrug, the sound crosses people up, too | |
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11-17-2006, 06:51 PM
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| That's where the "more confusing" came in. | |
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11-18-2006, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle should just have really bright overhead lights that illuminate the strip with color when a touch is scored.
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that actually sounds really cool... |
And of course my next thought is fencing with strobe lights..............
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11-18-2006, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LeftHanded Anyways what can you do? Is there anythibng you can do? | I advise you to post on an internet forum complaining about the injustice of it all. Don't bother to look for threads offering advice on this matter. Have a really good whinge. Should solve all of your problems.
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11-19-2006, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by whtouche I agree with what seems to be the consensus here. Turning your back is dangerous. If you were actually doing so, the referee is doing you a favor by calling you on it. | Actually, despite how much sense it makes (and that should be a clue, right there!), the roots of the rule against 'turning the back' are not based in safety.
It is based on (some people) feeling that a certain move of rotating your body too much constituted an unfair advantage, so they got together and got a rule added...
This is also what happened in 1988, with respect to the rule against 'reversing the line of the shoulders' in foil, which just recently got repealed.
There already IS a general rule against 'dangerous' acts, which (IMHO) should probably be used more often!
Gotta love the F.R.E.D.! | |
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11-19-2006, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PalmFrond I advise you to post on an internet forum complaining about the injustice of it all. Don't bother to look for threads offering advice on this matter. Have a really good whinge. Should solve all of your problems.
| The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the whinge,
The answer is blowin' in the whinge...
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11-19-2006, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the whinge,
The answer is blowin' in the whinge... |
A classic by Bob "I fence foil" Dylan....
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11-19-2006, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Actually, despite how much sense it makes (and that should be a clue, right there!), the roots of the rule against 'turning the back' are not based in safety. | See these quotes from the thread: Quote:
Originally Posted by RITFencing Slight note: the turning rule is for anti cheating, NOT for safety. Common misconception.
Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree with your post.
We now return to your regularly scheduled thread.
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 he didn't say the rule was for safety, but merely that turning your back is dangerous.
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs The rule was created for cheating, but the action is fairly unsafe as well.
Plus, how can turning the back help you cheat in sabre?
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Originally Posted by Chris It is based on (some people) feeling that a certain move of rotating your body too much constituted an unfair advantage, so they got together and got a rule added...
| It also allows fencers to cheat by hitting themselves in the foot or leg. Obviously, this is very applicable in epee, somewhat in foil, and not at all in sabre. | |
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11-19-2006, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint And of course my next thought is fencing with strobe lights.............. | That could make calling the action very interesting. | |
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11-20-2006, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK That could make calling the action very interesting. | A ref with a seizure might miss that crucial counter-parry. | |
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