11-08-2006, 01:22 PM
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| This just in: Rumsfeld out.
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11-08-2006, 01:51 PM
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| But will Gates be any better? | |
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11-08-2006, 01:53 PM
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11-08-2006, 03:51 PM
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| See, I would have thought that firing him 2 or 3 weeks before the election might have looked like Bush was willing to listen to his detractors and stemmed the Democratic tide.
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11-08-2006, 03:56 PM
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| in case you guys forgot:
a week before the election, bush stated that rumsfeld (and cheney) would stick around until the end of his term.
today, we found out that when he said that, he was lying. he knew that rumsfeld was seriously considering resignation at that time and bush was actively searching for a replacement. | |
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11-08-2006, 04:01 PM
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by noodle 
a week before the election, bush stated that rumsfeld (and cheney) would stick around until the end of his term.
today, we found out that when he said that, he was lying.
| Blasphemy! Our president has never lied in his life... since just after lunch today... AND will NEVER lie... until he opens his mouth again.
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11-08-2006, 04:06 PM
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| Like noodle says (and I alluded to in my thread on the same topic - which I'll remove since we're all here on this one): First casualty of election, or would have happened anyway but they didn't want to announce it before the election since it would have hurt Republican campaigns". It has to be the latter, since Gate's selection as replacement was already worked out. So, Bush lied. Again.
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11-08-2006, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle in case you guys forgot:
a week before the election, bush stated that rumsfeld (and cheney) would stick around until the end of his term.
today, we found out that when he said that, he was lying. he knew that rumsfeld was seriously considering resignation at that time and bush was actively searching for a replacement. | I think Bush was telling the truth. Even though he is going to be in office for another two years, his term pretty much ended yesterday.
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11-08-2006, 04:16 PM
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| Meh, if you guys think that a President---ANY President---doesn't already have a short list of possible successors for every Cabinet member and top staff member, at ALL times, you are more naive than I thought...
"What?! My National Security Advisor just dropped dead of a heart attack? What shall I do, I have NO idea where to look to replace him!"
Right. 
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11-08-2006, 04:31 PM
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| Since Pelosi is sure to call congressional hearings about the war in Iraq, does Rumsfeld resigning help him dodge having to answer to congress about the war?
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11-08-2006, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bayou Bum Since Pelosi is sure to call congressional hearings about the war in Iraq, does Rumsfeld resigning help him dodge having to answer to congress about the war? | No, he can still be subpoenaed (wow - that is a wierd word to type).
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11-08-2006, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Meh, if you guys think that a President---ANY President---doesn't already have a short list of possible successors for every Cabinet member and top staff member, at ALL times, you are more naive than I thought...
"What?! My National Security Advisor just dropped dead of a heart attack? What shall I do, I have NO idea where to look to replace him!"
Right. | This isn't about Bush invoking a succession plan which (as you point out) he obviously would have. This is about deliberately saying that Rumsfeld had his confidence and would be there for the duration of his term, while taking steps to replace him as soon as it couldn't worsen the Republican's election results. In other words, a lie.
How do we know? Because Bush admits it: "Bush said while Rumsfeld's resignation had been in the works for a period of time, he held off any announcement until Wednesday because he "didn't want to inject a major decision about this war in the final days" of the election campaign." See http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/...eld/index.html
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11-08-2006, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Meh, if you guys think that a President---ANY President---doesn't already have a short list of possible successors for every Cabinet member and top staff member, at ALL times, you are more naive than I thought...
"What?! My National Security Advisor just dropped dead of a heart attack? What shall I do, I have NO idea where to look to replace him!"
Right. | no no, bush specifically said in an interview that he received the resignation and specifically sought out a replacement weeks ago. BEFORE he specifically said rummy wasn't going anywhere. | |
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11-08-2006, 10:31 PM
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| Interestingly, he actually said in his interview today, that he purposely witheld the information from the public, about the imminent Rumsfeld resignation, because he thought it would impact the election. Which it would have. For the Republicans!
Rove's Revenge? Give the President one last bit of bad advice and take a resignation (or at the very least, a duck behind the backseat) and watch them squirm until they come back begging. | |
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11-08-2006, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Meh, if you guys think that a President---ANY President---doesn't already have a short list of possible successors for every Cabinet member and top staff member, at ALL times, you are more naive than I thought... |
Harriet Meirs. | |
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11-09-2006, 03:35 AM
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| I'd just like to say first, I don't support Bush. That being said, I had a few thoughts...
I think the funny thing is, if he would have accepted the resignation before the elections, he would have been criticized then for trying to sway the elections, since damn near everyone I've talked to dislikes Mr. Rumsfeld. At any rate, let's just be glad he is no longer there and move on.
As a little aside... I do find it funny that Bush gets hit harder when he does things others have been doing long before (A lying President! Blasphemy!). True, he's done a LOT of things I don't agree with... and some large scale ones, but does that make it right to slam him harder when he does stuff other presidents have done just the same in the past? One example I thought of was the media getting in a huff over people he has appointed (i.e. friends). This has been happening for centuries. Chieftans, kings, all the way up to presidents and PMs. Why slam him harder for it (or maybe it just seems like he's getting slammed to me) than others have? I just find it interesting.
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11-09-2006, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lindajdunn Harriet Meirs. | Zing 
They misplayed this one. You don't sacrifice do the gods AFTER they strike you with lightning.
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11-09-2006, 08:51 AM
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| I think it is funny how everyone has been calling Bush a liar for 6 years and how happy they are when Bush actually tells one! How justified everyone must feel to finally have proof of their allegations. Bush will go down in history as a liar because he lied about Rumsfeld's resignation while Clinton will be remembered as the honest one. What I can't stand is people who let their personal love/hate for someone override the actual facts.
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11-09-2006, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bayou Bum Bush will go down in history as a liar because he lied about Rumsfeld's resignation while Clinton will be remembered as the honest one. What I can't stand is people who let their personal love/hate for someone override the actual facts. | Bush will go down in history as an abject failure, as well as an idiot of staggering proportions. (Rummy, just the former).
Clinton will go down in history as liar, but his lasting legacy will be in provoking the idiocy of the Bush administration.
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11-09-2006, 10:09 AM
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| Things to think about if you're Dick Cheney:
Brownie, your're doing a Heck of a Job - a few days later - Fired
Rummie, you're doing a Heck of a Job - a few months later - Fired
I can't wait to hear: Cheney you're doing a Heck of a job.........
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