2006 Penn State Open - Live Results!

[DJ Apostrophe]

I'm more amazed that the format of the competition isn't published beforehand and adhered to.

It is published and it was adhered to.

COMPETITION FORMAT: Two to three rounds of pools followed by DE of sixteen. Consolation DE for eliminated in the 1st round only.

It is true that it isn't detailed, and all of the minutiae aren't there... but to someone like EK who has been running that format for years (the tournament has been around longer that I've been alive... format may have changed, I don't know), it is all perfectly clear. To me, it is less so. I had never run, fenced in, or even seen this format before this weekend. I asked one question when I should have asked two. I now know to ask two questions, and won't make that mistake again.

In the future, when running any kind of non-standard format, I am going to go out of my way to make sure that I have all the little details right, and post the format of the competition on the wall with all the other information right from the start (because Engarde gives you a button to do that, so it is quite easy) of the day.

-w

[oiuyt]

To be fair, the 3rd-round-to-promote-2nd-and-3rd-round-to-seed bit has been used in the past (now reminded of it I remember this exact problem popping up midway through the day last year -- that time on Saturday). That said, it FEELS like the exact format is somewhat flexible year-to-year.

Cut/promotion lines are not, as far as I can tell, announced in advance most of the time. This year they certainly were not announced in any form of which I am/was aware (prior to the lists of who made the cut). Last year some were and some weren't. Some of them were changed after the announcement (but prior to the fencing) when objections were made about skipping from a round of 30+ (35? 36? somewhere around there) directly to 16, eliminating more than half the field at one stage. A L24 pool round was inserted.

-B

[bigdawg2121]

Yeah, from my own experience the "same" format is rather flexible and subject to change from year to year depending on moods, weather, the will of the fates, and what number came up for the powerball.

[DJ Apostrophe]

Dave Lin was pretty consistant in announcing the promotion from each round when they were posted... of course, the announcements could only be heard in the main gym... and I don't know how effective even that was.

Also, Engarde prints the number of fencers promoted on each pool sheet.

-w

[Wafath]

It turns out, we were only supposed to use the results from both rounds for the seeding of the DE Table, NOT who actually is in the table.

Actually, using Engarde I have been unable to get it to do anything but that. If I ever wanted to cut fencers based on the combined results of two rounds instead of just the previous round, I needed to do special things.

When skimming the thread, I thought that maybe you ran into that, but now I am curious: How did you configure Engarde to eliminate down to 16 fencers based on the combined results of the pools? (or Poules?)

(I have been burned so many times by any software doing wierd things with any format other than 1 round pools -> DE, 100% promotion that I now will do at least one dry run before the competition.)

W

[DJ Apostrophe]

Its under the format section (obviously), if you hit "main options", you get a screen with a bunch of options (surprise!)...

one of them is "number of rounds for qualification" (defaults to 1), and another one is "number of rounds for ranking".

by changing the rounds for qualification value, it uses the last x rounds to promote to DEs... by changing the rounds for ranking, it then uses Y rounds to seed the fencers that you have now promoted.

I DID have to create another tournament file to handle the cosolation DE bracket, but other than that, Engarde runs this format just fine.

-w

[bigdawg2121]

Dave Lin was pretty consistant in announcing the promotion from each round when they were posted... of course, the announcements could only be heard in the main gym... and I don't know how effective even that was.

Also, Engarde prints the number of fencers promoted on each pool sheet.

-w

Note: I wasn't discussing the cuts/format for this year (although as you said you could really only hear it when it was announced and if you were in the main gym OR if you knew where to look on the pool sheets...I will say though that I think coaches were given a rough estimate of what cuts would likely be for each round); I was, however, referring mostly to the variability of the format from year to year as I'm pretty sure it hasn't had the same actual format any two years that I've fenced in it.