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happy · 10-11-2006, 03:21 AM

Anybody have clues as to when this will be sorted out?

DJ Apostrophe · 10-11-2006, 10:34 AM

Bids are due tomorrow. The decision is supposed to be made towards the end of the month.

-w

happy · 10-11-2006, 11:54 PM

Thanks - I should have dug around more in the RYC site, I see the info there under the documents section:

Documents Schedule Update:

Completed Bid Applications are to be submitted to the
Youth Development Committee at by October 15, 2006.

The Youth Development Committee will publish the list
of Super Youth Circuits at www.usfaryc.org no later
than October 30, 2006.

The Super Youth Circuits for 2006-2007 will take place
between December 2006 and April 2007.

I assume they will be choosing RYCs from those already listed on the schedule - but I suppose there may be others that aren't included. I'm not sure the schedule includes all 'official' RYCs or not...

epeemike81 · 10-12-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by happy

Thanks - I should have dug around more in the RYC site, I see the info there under the documents section:

Documents Schedule Update:

Completed Bid Applications are to be submitted to the
Youth Development Committee at by October 15, 2006.

The Youth Development Committee will publish the list
of Super Youth Circuits at www.usfaryc.org no later
than October 30, 2006.

The Super Youth Circuits for 2006-2007 will take place
between December 2006 and April 2007.

I assume they will be choosing RYCs from those already listed on the schedule - but I suppose there may be others that aren't included. I'm not sure the schedule includes all 'official' RYCs or not...

YDC doesn't "Choose" RYC's. to be designated an RYC, you need to get approval from your regional youth coordinator. that's it.

-m

happy · 10-12-2006, 01:43 PM

Right, I should have been more clear - I could have said that I assume the YDC will be choosing from the RYCs listed in the schedule.

Another way to get to that answer is to ask whether the list of RYCs in the schedule is comprehensive. Does anybody know that?

oiuyt · 10-12-2006, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happy

Right, I should have been more clear - I could have said that I assume the YDC will be choosing from the RYCs listed in the schedule.

Another way to get to that answer is to ask whether the list of RYCs in the schedule is comprehensive. Does anybody know that?

The posted schedule is likely not yet comprehensive, and it's also quite possible that one or more bids will be submitted by events that are not currently RYCs, and might not occur in any form without SYC status.

I would not consider it safe to view the current RYC list as the only possible candidates for SYC status.

-B

wolfercdat · 11-02-2006, 12:24 AM

Can anyone provide information on what the hold-up seems to be regarding this schedule? As was already mentioned, this information was supposed to posted by the 30th. Obviously there is a problem somewhere but it would be nice if someone on the selection committee would use their web page for what it's intended, which is to get information out. Even a short comment that states they understand they've busted their own due date, but there were unforeseen problems with the bids, is better that letting everyone sit wondering if the committee even remembers that they have a web page! Many thanks to anyone who can fill in the missing information.

KD5MDK · 11-02-2006, 12:27 AM

Perhaps they were derailed by the fencing.net outage.

missfencer95 · 11-08-2006, 12:30 AM

Just In: Super Youth Circuit Events
January 5-7 Durham, NH (University of New Hampshire)

March 16-18 Houston TX (Bayou City Fencing Academy)

March 16-18 Pasadena, CA (Pacific Section)
http://pcsfencing.com/junior/JRPCC2007/

April 13-15 Jersey City, NJ (Cobra Fencing Club)

epeemike81 · 11-15-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missfencer95

Just In: Super Youth Circuit Events
January 5-7 Durham, NH (University of New Hampshire)

March 16-18 Houston TX (Bayou City Fencing Academy)

March 16-18 Pasadena, CA (Pacific Section)
http://pcsfencing.com/junior/JRPCC2007/

April 13-15 Jersey City, NJ (Cobra Fencing Club)

One more...
Prise de Fer Fencing Club will be hosting an SYC this year.

In order to provide a better experience for the fencers and a more well run tournament, We will be hosting it on two different weekends, separated by gender.

The Prise de Fer Girls SYC will be held at the Dana Hall School on March 31st and April 1st. Pre-registration for this event is available on askFred.

The Prise de Fer Boys SYC will be held at Danvers High School on April 14th and 15th. Pre-registration for this event will be available shortly (we are still hammering out some scheduling details).

If you have any questions about this event feel free to pm or email me.

Also, if you wish to referee this event, please email me, but be aware that due to the high number of fencers and referees in the northeast, we are not likely to fly people in.

-m

KD5MDK · 11-15-2006, 03:59 PM

So that's 3 on the East Coast, 1 on the West, and 1 on the Gulf Coast.

qatet · 11-15-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

So that's 3 on the East Coast, 1 on the West, and 1 on the Gulf Coast.

Ahh, but two on the east coast are on the same weekend. Sad for the boys.

KD5MDK · 11-15-2006, 04:10 PM

I expect the NJ one will be crowded enough as it is.

lauralitz · 11-15-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

So that's 3 on the East Coast, 1 on the West, and 1 on the Gulf Coast.

How did they get from 2 on the east coast to 3 now? Didn't see that on the youth page.

Also WHY do they get more than 1???

lauralitz

edew · 11-15-2006, 06:03 PM

Yeah, and how is the Youth committee deciding on granting SYC status to ostensibly a RYC event? What prevents anyone from declaring a RYC is now a SYC? Who's holding down the fort here?

DonnaP · 11-15-2006, 11:37 PM

I can't argue that it appears both highly unusual and certainly unfair for the northeast to get three SYC events (being from CT I guess I shouldn't be complaining) but I appreciate the sentiments expressed by our central, southern and western friends. If they added an event to say Michigan or Florida it would at least make sense in that it helps parents with the travel deal. Let me say that I hold no ill will toward PdF and if they were given a bid approval by YDC so be it. But in that case I certainly don't understand why PdF would schedule it so that the girls up here can potentially fence three events, but the boys will have to choose between PdF and Cobra. As the YDC had to approve the SYC and must have known of the potential dates via the bid application, certainly they would have recognized that a move like this does not do anything positive for the concept of making stronger tournaments for the youth level fencers. In fact it only serves to weaken the events for all the boys by dividing them between the two events - (wrong). It forces fencers/parents to choose which event to go to - (obviously not to the stronger event to develop skill but to the weaker of the two to get more points - (wrong.) It also divides the referee resources in the northeast - (wrong). I just don't understand this move by the YDC - at this rate why not just make ALL RYC events point events and give the kids points for best two results - or maybe better yet, at the younger ages - stop giving points at all and let the kids focus on good fencing. One step forward, three steps back! Don't they know that three wrongs don't make a right!!!!

DonnaP · 11-15-2006, 11:42 PM

Qatet - it's not just sad for the boys on the east coast where two events are on the same weekend - but too bad for the boys(and girls) out west as well - since CA and TX are the same weekend too.

oiuyt · 11-15-2006, 11:50 PM

If someone in Michigan had submitted a reasonable bid I'm fairly certain they, also, would have received SYC status. There were several bids (none in MI, as far as I know) that were rejected for various reasons. All five bids that were acceptable have now been accepted, assuming Epeemike81 is correct that the Boston-area event now has that status (he's the organizer, so I'd expect him to have the most current information).

Want an SYC in your area? Encourage your local divisions/clubs/potential organizers to submit bids.

Rather than complain about the plethora of opportunities in the NY/NE area, go push people in your area to get more involved. Or become one of those people involved in organizing things.

EDew- I'm not sure what you're asking. The Boston event had a bid packet submitted, just as the other SYC events did. I'm not sure why you think of it as "ostensibly a[n] RYC event".

-B

happy · 11-16-2006, 03:28 AM

Can somebody on the YDC verify that the PDF tournaments are designated SYCs? When I first saw the post, I assumed it was a misunderstanding and the tournament was an RYC. If so, it begs the question why the USFA isn't posting the entire list?

It just seems unusual that it wouldn't be listed on the official site - was the decision made after the first few were posted? Then again, it wouldn't be the first time something unusual happened in youth fencing... Communication has been almost non-existent this year.

As for the selections, I would rather the YDC err on the side of more opportunities than less, but it is too bad that the kids west of the Mississippi really only have one 'local' SYC they can attend this year (since CA and TX are on the same weekend).

KD5MDK · 11-16-2006, 11:23 AM

It should be noted that there are practical limits on how large a locally organized tournament can be. If the NJ SYC receives 500 entries, they'll be hard pressed to handle that capacity, and I consider that a not-impossible number. So splitting the amount of fencing in the NE into smaller groups is probably better.

The real problem with scheduling events on top of each other is not that it prevents kids from fencing in multiple SYCs, but that it means if you can't make one weekend, you have that many fewer chances to make another one.