09-30-2006, 07:50 PM
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Ok, I am kinda to new (relatively) the fencing community, but may I ask what happen to Uhlmann and its production? I heard it moved some of its production to China, I knew its stuff is used to be made Rosler Fencing. What is the whole deal here? and what about the relationship between FWF and Rosler Fencing? I am just cursious, I heard someone talked about it and I really want to know the details.
and what is up with uhlmann, does it only sell its brands?
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09-30-2006, 08:00 PM
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| I'm not sure that anyone knows all the details, but I've heard that Uhlmann wanted to lower cost of production, Rosler wouldn't do that for them, and so they outsourced to China. Then Rosler became FWF, and the end. Though I think you'd get better responses from the armory.
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10-01-2006, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by keropie I'm not sure that anyone knows all the details, but I've heard that Uhlmann wanted to lower cost of production, Rosler wouldn't do that for them, and so they outsourced to China. Then Rosler became FWF, and the end. Though I think you'd get better responses from the armory. | No....that's pretty much my understanding. FWF is Rosler's direct sales arm. | |
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10-01-2006, 03:18 PM
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| I went to FWF's website after reading this post and found this amusing mistranslation: Quote: |
Originally Posted by FWF website Our cable reel is set apart from others by its excellent stability, which makes it difficult for the fencer to pull it after him. | http://www.fencewithfun.com/index.ph...b147ca286013b4
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10-01-2006, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomas N Quote: |
Originally Posted by FWF website Our cable reel is set apart from others by its excellent stability, which makes it difficult for the fencer to pull it after him. | | Makes perfect sense to me, but then I direct-translate it to swedish. 
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10-01-2006, 10:31 PM
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| Eh, thats not that bad. If it said "pull the reel" it would make perfect sense.
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10-03-2006, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BySword Ok, I am kinda to new (relatively) the fencing community, but may I ask what happen to Uhlmann and its production? I heard it moved some of its production to China, I knew its stuff is used to be made Rosler Fencing. What is the whole deal here? and what about the relationship between FWF and Rosler Fencing? I am just cursious, I heard someone talked about it and I really want to know the details.
and what is up with uhlmann, does it only sell its brands? | BySword:
Its all in the money!
If Uhlmann can make something almost as good as "made in Germany" in China, and make 3 times more, well,,,China Wins!
Its all in the money!
Relationship with Rosler/FWF. Long story short, Rosler refused to drop quality for pricing (higher profit margin for Uhlmann).
"what is up with uhlmann, does it only sell its brands", you know BySword, Uhlmann does make really fine quality goods. Have a good name. Problem is to your question: Uhlmann farms out/outsources more production to things they did make in the past that I cannot say what it is that they really do make anymore?
Example: BF blades with an Uhlmann Stamp, nope ,,,,not Uhlmann. Tips, wires and points that did say Uhlmann,,,,nope,,,they dont make these either. Masks that say Uhlmann,,,,once again,,,nope,,, made in China.
On a good note: I cannot swear by it, but I do think the floor reels are still made in Germany.
Hope this helps,
Gary Spruill
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10-03-2006, 12:23 AM
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| Gary....this brings up a question. Will they have to rehomolugate their masks, since Rosler's no longer making them for Uhlmann?
I'd love to know how much THAT costs!!! | |
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10-03-2006, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer Gary....this brings up a question. Will they have to rehomolugate their masks, since Rosler's no longer making them for Uhlmann?
I'd love to know how much THAT costs!!! | You know what Sam,,,
Your onto something here.
Take a look at they're new mask (China one) and they are still using the same FIE Seal under the Uhlmann name. Legal??? I dont think so!
Dan gave me an up to date mask list, cant find it though.
Gary
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10-04-2006, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by twisterfencing You know what Sam,,,
Your onto something here.
Take a look at they're new mask (China one) and they are still using the same FIE Seal under the Uhlmann name. Legal??? I dont think so!
Dan gave me an up to date mask list, cant find it though.
Gary | Well, i rememeber that only the manufacturer's supposed to be able to out their name in teh FIE shield....but that was befoer I knew Rosler had been making Uhlamann's masks.
It would SEEM that if a mask is commissioned by one manufacturer to another's specs, they could be homolugated witt he commissioner's name on it...that SEEMS what happened with the Uhlmann/Rosler ones.
If so, Uhlmann could do he same thing with the Chinese made ones....but i would think they would STILL have to pay for re-homolugation, since it's a different factory making them.
Wish I could find a definitive answer on this... | |
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10-04-2006, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer If so, Uhlmann could do he same thing with the Chinese made ones....but i would think they would STILL have to pay for re-homolugation, since it's a different factory making them.
Wish I could find a definitive answer on this... | Maybe not as long as they're consistent with the mask in FIE storage?
FWF had to homologate their mask, done so in 2005.
Also, I heard that the Ulhmann masks are now made in the same factory as the BG FIE masks.
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10-04-2006, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by larkmaj Maybe not as long as they're consistent with the mask in FIE storage? | I wouldn't think so.....since they're made by different factories. I would think that they'd HAVE to re-certify....maybe I'll ask Dan D....should've thought of that last week. Quote: |
FWF had to homologate their mask, done so in 2005.
| Right....because they wanted to put their own name on it. Similar to homologating the fabric. Even if I buy the exact same stuff Leon Paul uses -- from teh same manufacturer -- I would still have to pay for homologation myself if I wanted to put HOM in teh shield. Quote: |
Also, I heard that the Ulhmann masks are now made in the same factory as the BG FIE masks.
| I think I'd heard that, too....but a BG mask isn't an Uhlmann mask.... | |
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