James Madison University joins Rutgers and others - Fencing.Net Discussion
topleft topright

Go Back   Fencing.Net Discussion > General Fencing > Fencing Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-29-2006, 04:55 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
campb1pr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Shenandoah Valley, VA
Posts: 380
campb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond reputecampb1pr has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to campb1pr
James Madison University joins Rutgers and others

From: James Madison University

Date: September 29, 2006

Today the Board of Visitors made a difficult, but necessary decision to bring the university's intercollegiate athletics program into compliance with the proportionality requirement of Title IX. Their decision was necessary because our program is now substantiality out of compliance. It was difficult because the consequence of the decision is the elimination of seven men's sports and three women's sports. To ensure you have accurate information concerning the Board's action, the following is provided:

James Madison University's Board of Visitors voted today to approve a plan to bring the JMU Athletics program into compliance with Title IX. The plan will take effect July 1, 2007, when the following varsity teams will be eliminated:

Men's
Archery
Cross Country
Gymnastics
Indoor Track
Outdoor Track
Swimming
Wrestling

Women's
Archery
Fencing
Gymnastics

With 28 varsity teams, the JMU Athletics program ties for the rank of seventh in terms of the number of teams among all 327 Division I schools nationally.

"The JMU Athletics program is unusually large for a public university of our size," said Joseph Damico, rector of the JMU Board of Visitors. "With so many teams we faced an insurmountable challenge coming into compliance with Title IX. Fundamentally, that is why the Board voted today for this plan."

The proportionality requirements of Title IX mandate that collegiate athletics programs mirror each school's undergraduate population in terms of gender. As of the fall semester 2006, JMU's proportions place it fundamentally out of compliance with federal law:


Overall Enrollment
61% Female - 39% Male

Athletics Participation
50.7% Female - 49.3% Male

Jeff Bourne, JMU athletics director, said, "We explored every avenue in search of an alternative to this action. Lamar Daniel, a well-known consultant on Title IX compliance, has worked closely with us and he believes that this plan is our most viable alternative for reaching compliance with Title IX."

Once this plan is fully implemented, total participation in athletics will move to 61 percent female and 39 percent male, in alignment with current student enrollment. The university will then have 18 intercollegiate sports:

Men's
Baseball
Basketball
Football
Golf
Soccer
Tennis

Women's
Basketball
Cross Country
Field Hockey
Golf
Lacrosse
Soccer
Softball
Swimming
Tennis
Track, Indoor
Track, Outdoor
Volleyball

This decision affects 144 student-athletes currently participating in these sports, as well as three full-time and eight part-time coaches. "Now that the Board has voted to enact this plan, our main concern is with our affected student-athletes and coaches," said Bourne. "We are taking great care to preserve the financial guarantees already made to our student-athletes. If you are a student-athlete on an effected team and you are receiving a scholarship, you will continue to receive that scholarship until you graduate."

Currently, eight students on the rosters of the 10 affected teams receive a total of $13,500 in scholarships. Access to sports-medicine and academic-advising programs also will be available. Any affected student-athletes who decide to transfer to another program will be provided with full assistance regarding the transfer process. Affected coaches will receive severance packages appropriate to the university's policies and procedures.

All of the financial resources recovered from the implementation of this plan will be redirected to provide the full complement of NCAA scholarships for women's golf, tennis and swimming. Partial scholarship funding will return to men's golf and tennis, with a plan to enhance to full funding by 2011.

Visit http://media.jmu.edu after 5:00 p.m. E.S.T. to view a press conference on this issue.
__________________
"A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people" -- James Madison
"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it" -- Thomas Jefferson
campb1pr is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
And now for this message...
Go Green members don't see these ads.


Old 09-29-2006, 05:25 PM   #2
Member
 
alewive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New England
Posts: 71
alewive will become famous soon enough
Wow. Terrible news. Did anyone see this coming? Though I've read the threads about Rutgers, what "and others" are you referencing? How many NCAA programs have been dropped or are at risk?
alewive is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2006, 05:44 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Mr Epee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Jyväskylä
Posts: 3,864
Mr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Mr Epee
Quote:
Originally Posted by alewive
Did anyone see this coming?
Probably everyone who has been paying attention to trends in NCAA programs.

While I'm sure it's disappointing to those close to the program, to call it surprising would be naive.

It's more surprising when a school faces program cuts, and decides to keep fencing.
__________________
Quit touchin' me, ya freak
F.Net Rule #1: E. L. E. (everybody love everybody)
Mr Epee is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2006, 06:01 PM   #4
Super Shoebie
 
chefencer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: VA
Posts: 1,081
chefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond reputechefencer has a reputation beyond repute
Well, Mr. Campbell that sucks for your new, albeit temporary, coaching position...bummer.
chefencer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2006, 06:17 PM   #5
The Judge
 
noodle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,213
noodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond repute
usacfc.clubs++;
noodle is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2006, 07:30 PM   #6
Admin
 
Craig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 4,625
Craig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond reputeCraig has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Craig Send a message via Skype™ to Craig
So, to increase women's athletic participation they remove women's programs?

Must be that new math.
__________________
Webmaster - Fencing.Net


Subscribe to the Fencing Podcast
(via FeedBurner)
Fencing Blog - I'll be putting updates here.
Craig is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2006, 08:47 PM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 81
luv2fence is on a distinguished road
If this is a trend, why not react?

These cuts seem to be a trend; the causes
are Title IX and others that are not clear.

Permit some brain-storming; you guys
might think of something better.
Why not do an end-run around the official
college sports programs.

Alternatives.
1)College Clubs. Many colleges have these, now.
2)Close-to-College clubs.
Actively recruit college students that are
athletic. Many athletes retire when they
leave high school; more and more with title IX.

USFA could make a category of
"college student club"; and they could
compete in their own league, like a
mini-NCAA.

luv2fence
luv2fence is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2006, 11:55 PM   #8
The Judge
 
noodle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,213
noodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond reputenoodle has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by luv2fence
These cuts seem to be a trend; the causes
are Title IX and others that are not clear.

Permit some brain-storming; you guys
might think of something better.
Why not do an end-run around the official
college sports programs.

Alternatives.
1)College Clubs. Many colleges have these, now.
2)Close-to-College clubs.
Actively recruit college students that are
athletic. Many athletes retire when they
leave high school; more and more with title IX.

USFA could make a category of
"college student club"; and they could
compete in their own league, like a
mini-NCAA.

luv2fence
you mean, like how they already do?

http://www.usacfc.org
noodle is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2006, 01:43 AM   #9
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 81
luv2fence is on a distinguished road
I was so ill informed. Many male athletes available.

Noodle,
It is good to know they have started the
US Association of Collegiate Fencing Clubs.

There are so many good male athletes that
are leaving high school programs. Some are
cut, some are injured, some graduate.

They would be naturals for USACFC or a club
that has both rec and elite programs.
I saw one such athlete start a fencing program;
he accepted the fencing style/disipline and he
became very good very fast; it was scary.

I do not know if women athletes parallel this,
because I have never followed girls HS sports.
Maybe there is a big potential there also.

luv2fence
luv2fence is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2006, 06:00 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
Mr Epee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Jyväskylä
Posts: 3,864
Mr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond reputeMr Epee has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Mr Epee
Quote:
Originally Posted by luv2fence
Noodle,
It is good to know they have started the
US Association of Collegiate Fencing Clubs.

There are so many good male athletes that
are leaving high school programs. Some are
cut, some are injured, some graduate.

They would be naturals for USACFC or a club
that has both rec and elite programs.
I saw one such athlete start a fencing program;
he accepted the fencing style/disipline and he
became very good very fast; it was scary.

I do not know if women athletes parallel this,
because I have never followed girls HS sports.
Maybe there is a big potential there also.

luv2fence
Is there a special reason that you are so specificaly stupid?

Or is there a pool?

We would like to know?
__________________
Quit touchin' me, ya freak
F.Net Rule #1: E. L. E. (everybody love everybody)
Mr Epee is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2006, 12:34 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
rcmatthews's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 1,099
rcmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond reputercmatthews has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to rcmatthews
Isn't Title IX great? Just look at how it enhances the opportunities for women in sports.
__________________
Ich steige ab, Hab keine Zeit, Muss jetzt zu den anderen Pferden, Wollen auch geritten werden

C'est pas la chute, c'est l'atterrissage.
rcmatthews is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rutgers Fencing will be gone in a year. Schibilia Fencing Discussion 73 02-10-2007 09:18 PM
(DCI) World Championships Finals,Madison,WI WordRider Water Cooler 3 08-14-2006 01:42 AM
(DCI Major)DCI World Championships Quarterfinals,Madison,WI WordRider Water Cooler 1 08-11-2006 01:46 PM
Head Coach Position Available - James Madison University oiuyt Fencing Discussion 4 08-19-2005 03:40 PM
James Chambers, the British Eurosport guy edew Fencing Discussion 13 10-02-2003 05:13 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:38 PM.


(c) 1995 - 2007 Fencing Net; Fencing.Net, fdn, Fencing101, Epee101, Foil101, Sabre101 are all trademarks of Fencing.Net, LLC.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. - Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5 -    Medieval Swords from the online Replica Sword Shop