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View Poll Results: Are fencers not holding your countrys citizenship allowed to fence at Nationals? | |
Yes. Everyone is allowed to participate in my countrys Nationals, regardless of their citzenship.
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No. Participants needs to hold a national citzenship to be allowed to fence at Nationals.
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09-22-2006, 04:56 AM
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#1 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden
Posts: 12,637
| Citizenship and fencing at Nationals.
Hey all, I'm curious to know about your countrys policy on 'non-citizens' fencing at Nationals.
I'm interested to hear from all nationalities posting on this forum, but I'll take USA as an example: Are fencers not holding a US citizenship allowed to fence at US Nationals?
I look forward to comments, but if you don't feel like posting then please just vote in the very simple poll. Thank you!
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09-22-2006, 05:03 AM
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#2 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
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| If you're a fencer NZ won't care if you have citizenship or not, you just won't get points. Fencing is fencing, after all 
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09-22-2006, 05:05 AM
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#3 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden
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| Sorry about the delay of the poll, I had trouble keeping my wording to the maximum allowed charachters...
Ludi, would you care to vote now please?
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09-22-2006, 05:07 AM
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#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GREECE/Piraeus
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| Here in Greece you can not fence in Greek cup or championship. The other competions are free.
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09-22-2006, 05:27 AM
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#5 | | Immortal
Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Heidelberg, GE
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| In Germany, non-German nationals (like me  ) can't participate in the individual local, state or national championships (exception being some local or state championships that are opens).
Non-German nationals can participate in the team championships--there is a limit of one alien  per team.
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09-22-2006, 09:06 AM
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#6 | | Just Joined
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 16
| In Canada, only Canadian citizens, or persons with landed immigrant status in Canada (equivalent to US green card holders) are permitted to fence at the Canadian Nationals. Currently, non-Canadians are permitted to fence in the Canadian Selection Competitions.
In the US, only citizens and permanent residents (green card holders) are permitted to fence in the US Nationals and JOs, -- UNLESS the fencer has, fencing under another country's FIE licence, represented that other country in an officially sanctioned FIE competition, in which case they cannot compete in either event. AND, a fencer who is not qualified to fence in the Nationals or JOs cannot compete in the sectional/regional qualification competitions for those events. | |
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09-22-2006, 09:23 AM
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#7 | | The Judge
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen Are fencers not holding a US citizenship allowed to fence at US Nationals? | no, they're not. | |
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09-22-2006, 09:23 AM
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#8 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Hall School, Wellesely, MA
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen Are fencers not holding a US citizenship allowed to fence at US Nationals? | Quote: |
Originally Posted by noodle no, they're not. | Not quite true, Noodle. Citizenship is not required, but permanent residence is. So, my coach's son, who got a greencard this past year, can now fence in US Nationals (and did, in fact), but my old roommate, who's here on a work visa, can't. That said, she CAN fence in the Commonwealth Games, World Championships, and any world cups she can get to, so I think it's at least an even trade.
Consequently, I can't find an appropriate option on the poll, but I refuse to say the poll is flawed for philosophical reasons.
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09-22-2006, 10:01 AM
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#9 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by LUDICROUS If you're a fencer NZ won't care if you have citizenship or not, you just won't get points. Fencing is fencing, after all | Hence why a friend of mine was the New Zealand National Champion in Women's Sabre.
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09-22-2006, 10:28 AM
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#10 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Texas
Posts: 2,834
| Agree with epeemike81's post.
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09-22-2006, 10:54 AM
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#11 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by epeemike81 Not quite true, Noodle. Citizenship is not required, but permanent residence is. So, my coach's son, who got a greencard this past year, can now fence in US Nationals (and did, in fact), but my old roommate, who's here on a work visa, can't. That said, she CAN fence in the Commonwealth Games, World Championships, and any world cups she can get to, so I think it's at least an even trade.
-m | i've seen people get turned away from divisionals/sectionals/nationals for not being a citizen, never was permanent residence mentioned as the requirement. | |
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09-22-2006, 11:01 AM
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#12 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 164
| I'm a permanent resident here in the US (Italian citizen), and I've represented the US in the FIE, and fenced at US Nationals 4 times now. Trust me, citizenship is not required. | |
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09-22-2006, 11:20 AM
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#13 | | Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 35
| Yep. Seconded. Canadian permanent resident here and I've won medals at nationals. We just can't be on the national team. | |
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09-22-2006, 01:32 PM
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#14 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Jersey
Posts: 115
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Originally Posted by jaketheranger Yep. Seconded. Canadian permanent resident here and I've won medals at nationals. We just can't be on the national team. | Another Canadian here! Citizenship is not necessary in the US (a lot of people don't know that one can have permanent resident status forever, but never actually become a citizen) . For Summer Nationals, citizenship or permanent residence status is required. For regular NACs, neither is required. | |
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09-22-2006, 01:33 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Hall School, Wellesely, MA
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Originally Posted by noodle i've seen people get turned away from divisionals/sectionals/nationals for not being a citizen, never was permanent residence mentioned as the requirement. | then, if they were a permanent resident, they should appeal.
that IS, in fact, the requirement.
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09-22-2006, 01:35 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 300
| In the UK citizenship is required to fence in the national championships. | |
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09-22-2006, 01:45 PM
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#17 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Hall School, Wellesely, MA
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Originally Posted by The Athlete's Handbook 2.7.1 Eligibility to Compete in a Qualifier
Fencers must be U.S. citizens OR permanent residents of the United States... Any fencer who is a citizen or permanent resident who has represented another country in the last three years and who has not yet been granted permission to represent the USA is not eligible for any USFA National Championship competition... A foreign fencer who is in the US on a visa is NOT eligible to fence in any National Championships... | Really, I only needed the first setence, but figured the other stuff was germaine to the original question.
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09-22-2006, 02:30 PM
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#18 | | Member
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09-22-2006, 02:34 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles/San Francisco
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| I'm a permanent resident in the US and fenced at NACs just fine. At the Senior Pacific Coast Championship they asked for my permanent resident card's number, which I didn't have on me. Then they told me to bring it to the next NAC or else they might not let me fence.  But then at the following NAC nothing happened, I fenced as usual.
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09-22-2006, 02:44 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004 Location: la la land
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Originally Posted by akaiyuki I'm a permanent resident in the US and fenced at NACs just fine. At the Senior Pacific Coast Championship they asked for my permanent resident card's number, which I didn't have on me. Then they told me to bring it to the next NAC or else they might not let me fence. But then at the following NAC nothing happened, I fenced as usual. | Sr PCCs is a qualifying event for Nationals... but a regular NAC wouldn't be a problem. If you fenced Nationals without a problem, they probably figured the section had verified eligibility.
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