USACFC Map

[Wafath]

I have generated a few maps of existing and potential USACFC teams. Some of you may find it interesting:

http://wayne.umdfencing.com/

The intent of this work is to provide visual aids for any possible regionalizeation conversations. It also kind of looks cool.

It is interesting to contrast this map with the fencing.net map of fencing clubs in the US. The fencing.net map gives a good indication of where there is fencing, and often where there is fencing, there are collegiate fencing clubs.

A few things:

The teams listed are:

a) teams that were present at the 2006 USACFCs
b) teams that were present at the 2004 USACFCs (the only other USACFC I have results for in hand.)
c) teams listed in Bruce's email a few weeks ago.
d) teams that I have personal knowledge of.

I have attempted to guess conference information where possible. In the case where I knew for a fact a team was a member of two conferences, I listed the oldest first.

This is a work in progress. If you notice errors, please let me know by post or PM. If you have actual knowledge of teams that are missing, or conference information that is missing, please also let me know.

W

[Padawan]

You can add UT knoxville TN and Furman University SC to your map they are joining the league (conference)

[bigdawg2121]

Damnable Kudzu.....

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Gee Golly, it looks to me like there are a number of already existing conferences that could be used as regional qualifiers, when we get to that step!

(not that there aren't still some valid issues with that one... but... yeah.)

pretty

[Wafath]

Originally Posted by Padawan

You can add UT knoxville TN and Furman University SC to your map they are joining the league (conference)

Done, and thank you.

Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

Gee Golly, it looks to me like there are a number of already existing conferences that could be used as regional qualifiers, when we get to that step!

(not that there aren't still some valid issues with that one... but... yeah.)

1) what about multiple conferences,
2) what about conferences that have different membership requirements than USACFC,
3) what if the conference in an area doesn't let new teams in,

etc.

W

[DangerMouse]

You didn't list University of Oregon on that list (we're on the e-mail), but given the distance we would have to travel to get to the nearest USACFC school our membership is unlikely.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Wafath

I have generated a few maps of existing and potential USACFC teams. Some of you may find it interesting:

http://wayne.umdfencing.com/

The intent of this work is to provide visual aids for any possible regionalizeation conversations. It also kind of looks cool.

It is interesting to contrast this map with the fencing.net map of fencing clubs in the US. The fencing.net map gives a good indication of where there is fencing, and often where there is fencing, there are collegiate fencing clubs.

A few things:

The teams listed are:

a) teams that were present at the 2006 USACFCs
b) teams that were present at the 2004 USACFCs (the only other USACFC I have results for in hand.)
c) teams listed in Bruce's email a few weeks ago.
d) teams that I have personal knowledge of.

I have attempted to guess conference information where possible. In the case where I knew for a fact a team was a member of two conferences, I listed the oldest first.

This is a work in progress. If you notice errors, please let me know by post or PM. If you have actual knowledge of teams that are missing, or conference information that is missing, please also let me know.

W

in a day or two, i'll be putting up a full list of all results on the webpage, as well as a list of all schools that have ever participated, 2003-2006.

as an aside, mind if i borrow that map or link it from the page?

[reawl]

BGSU (Bowling Green) should be part of the MFC unless something has changed. Your map rocks by the way!

Regionals are the solution to everything and the cause of more fencing at more local levels.

[GingerBreadMan]

It's nice to see such a heavy interest going into the USACFC. As a former fencer of that conference I'd have to say it's getting to the point where I believe It will be given more coverage and acknowledgement by the USFA and conjoining subdivisions there in. Not to mention that some really great fencers have been/are in the USACFC. Some are even on the national points list. Keep up the good work.

[akaiyuki]

Nice map!

UCLA, University of Southern Califnoria, and Arizona State are in the Intercollegiate Fencing Conference of Southern California conference. Not NCIFL.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

Nice map!

UCLA, University of Southern Califnoria, and Arizona State are in the Intercollegiate Fencing Conference of Southern California conference. Not NCIFL.

NCIFL thinks USC and UCLA are members...

Of course they're not in what I would define as Northern California.

-B

[TrojanMD]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

NCIFL thinks USC and UCLA are members...

Of course they're not in what I would define as Northern California.

-B

USC and UCLA are part of the NCIFL list serve in an effort (albeit a nearly impossible one in past years) to coordinate tournament schedules so that schools could participate in NorCal and SoCal league events. No voting priviledges that I know of are part of that arrangement.

And don't forget UCIrvine, UCSanta Barbara, MiraCosta, UCDavis, Pasadena Community College, Foothill-DeAnza CC, and UNReno.

(BTW : IFCSC finds it home at www.ifcsc.org these days)

[RebelFencer]

You can probably go ahead and add Middle Tennessee State University (murfreesboro, tn). Check's in the mail.

[Wafath]

Updated with more NE & California Schools.

Very confused on the conference situation out in the west. It sure would make my life easier if someone kept track of this.

Not sure of the right way to do it though. A wikipedia article might help, or coordinating through USFA, or maybe the USACFC just needs to be agressive about keeping in touch.

W

[KD5MDK]

You're assuming anyone outside a particular school is accurately informed of its actual status. For that matter, numerous individuals inside a school could misunderstand how things actually are.

[akaiyuki]

Originally Posted by TrojanMD

(BTW : IFCSC finds it home at www.ifcsc.org these days)

The league schedule makes no sense. Why isn't there north vs. north schools anymore? That SUCKS.

[TrojanMD]

Originally Posted by Wafath

Updated with more NE & California Schools.

Very confused on the conference situation out in the west. It sure would make my life easier if someone kept track of this.

W

California = big. As such, the collegiate scene has been split for a long time between NorCal and SoCal (mirroring, to a certain extent, the USFA fencing scene).

SoCal has had an organized league for decades (over the last several years UCSB, UCLA, CIT, USC, UCI, CSUF, UCSD, with ASU joining recently) - four meets a year, individual and team rankings over the course of the year, perpetual cups in all weapons for both genders. Fairly standard, I would hazard. What makes scheduling a little more difficult for us is the NCAA requirements of CIT, CSUF and UCSD, but we usually made it work.

In addition to the league, there are college sponsored meets (of varying formats) that are typically fundraising events, and Pacific Coast Section events, all of which the collegiate schedule makes an effort to accomodate.

In all honestly, I can't comment on the NorCal schedule other than to say it exists. My understanding of the NorCal league is that it is a loose association of schools held together mainly by Cal Poly SLO, Davis and Berkeley.

The last several years has seen the emergence of an annual West Coast Team Invitational in an effort to get *everyone* together at least once a year - last year I think Wyoming and Colorado sent teams, in addition to the SoCal Schools, SLO, Berkeley, ASU, and some other smaller groups.

[akaiyuki]

Originally Posted by TrojanMD

The last several years has seen the emergence of an annual West Coast Team Invitational in an effort to get *everyone* together at least once a year - last year I think Wyoming and Colorado sent teams, in addition to the SoCal Schools, SLO, Berkeley, ASU, and some other smaller groups.

Don't forget Florida was there! They were there the year before too.

[TrojanMD]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

Don't forget Florida was there! They were there the year before too.

I remember - I think it's amazing that Florida manages to make the trip, and it really adds to the tournament. The more the merrier - this year's Invite is being held by Berkeley, and anyone who is interested should think about coming out!!

[Wafath]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

You're assuming anyone outside a particular school is accurately informed of its actual status. For that matter, numerous individuals inside a school could misunderstand how things actually are.

This is very true, but will vary heavily on region and conference. Some conferences have very strict rules for membership renewal, and so after a certain date they can say with absolute authority who is in the conference. (Think of how USACFC does it.)

Other conferences are no more than a meet a year, and whomever shows up can be said to be a member. (funny, USACFC comes to mind again.)

In the Mid atlantic, for example, any member of BWCFC or MACFA knows exactly who is and is not a part of the conference once the season starts. If you don't pay your dues, and don't show up to your meets, you aren't a member. If you want to join, you must be approved by the conference.

Does the texas situation look right? I had to guess because of a lack of information.

Also updated, IFCSC schools should now be correct.

W