Any lawyers on here? Question!

[suterces]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

Way too obvious as a murder if I use accelerants. I am to plan it so well that it seems like she just disappeared out of nowhere!

Are you sure your manager hasn't responded in days BECAUSE you already did that?

[OROD]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

Way too obvious as a murder if I use accelerants. I am to plan it so well that it seems like she just disappeared out of nowhere!

No, no, just be creative. First, call the police and report odd gasoline smell coming from her house, wait a week. Call again and complain about her "storing" gasoling containers in her house, wait a week. Douse the place with gas and light it on fire. Problem solved!

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

And perhaps you can use the money that I use to hire you to bribe the LBI committee to let you fence and fly down here.

That's exactly what I mean, the f***ing tournament is so expensive the only way to pay for it is to start doing hits on your spare time. Jeeez!

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[akaiyuki]

Originally Posted by OROD

No, no, just be creative. First, call the police and report odd gasoline smell coming from her house, wait a week. Call again and complain about her "storing" gasoling containers in her house, wait a week. Douse the place with gas and light it on fire. Problem solved!

Good idea... You ARE an expert after all!

Originally Posted by OROD

That's exactly what I mean, the f***ing tournament is so expensive the only way to pay for it is to start doing hits on your spare time. Jeeez!

I think you will start recieving PMs pretty soon with offers Anyway, hope the tournament goes well though... I haven't been fencing for more than a week! Tiff needs to get her ass down here with my fencing bag

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by OROD

Hook, armature?? Do you mean like for hanging a chandelier?

If a chandelier is your preferred source of lights for a room, then yes.

I mean the little hook where you hang your LAMP, because usually the weight of the LAMP is not supoorted by the ELECTRIC CABLES alone.

Originally Posted by OROD

Her problem is just that there is no lights installed in her room. By lights I mean something installed into the ceiling, no hooks involved. All she needs is a lamp or two, problem solved.

Ah, the confusion of different languages is a wonderful thing. ( )

The way I interpret your post is that you are contradicting yourself.

By lights I mean a lamp/armature/source of light/object to plug into a socket and turn on and off to give you sufficient light. When you say there is nothing installed into her ceiling, do you mean that there still is electric cabling and all she need to do is to buy a 'socket' with a bulb and plug into those cables?

Oh never mind...I'm just curious to what it really looks like (Pics, Yuki?!) since I don't understand the strange building 'principles' you seem to have. You americans are weird people!

[akaiyuki]

If I am to take a picture of the ceiling, there won't be anything on it... There's no hooks or cables whatsoever on the ceiling. Nada, nothing.

There are 3 electrical sockets near the ground in the room. I can plug a floor lamp into one of those.

There's a switch (what you'd think is a light switch) as you come in the door. Since there's no light in the room, supposedly it's common that such switch controls one of the sockets. So if you plug the floor lamp into that socket, you can use that switch as a light switch. However, I tried all the sockets in the room, and apparently that switch does absolutely nothing.

Did I make sense at all? X__X

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

If I am to take a picture of the ceiling, there won't be anything on it... There's no hooks or cables whatsoever on the ceiling. Nada, nothing.

Did I make sense at all? X__X

Yes it does, thanks for clarifying!

So what you really need is an electrician to come and have 'ceiling electricity' installed for you, right? (Well, unless you're handy enough to do it yourself.)

I've never seen or heard of a house/flat being built without 'ceiling electricity' so this all sounds very strange to me. But then again, quite a few people mentioned this is normal in the US.

So yeah, sorry for not being able to give legal advise but thanks again for the clarification Yuki. Different standards, huh?

[OROD]

Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen

Ah, the confusion of different languages is a wonderful thing.

The way I interpret your post is that you are contradicting yourself.

By lights I mean a lamp/armature/source of light/object to plug into a socket and turn on and off to give you sufficient light. When you say there is nothing installed into her ceiling, do you mean that there still is electric cabling and all she need to do is to buy a 'socket' with a bulb and plug into those cables?

Oh never mind...I'm just curious to what it really looks like (Pics, Yuki?!) since I don't understand the strange building 'principles' you seem to have. You americans are weird people!

LOL... you are correct, there's some confusion here. For example, I dont know what you mean by "socket with a bulb"? To me, a socket is the thing in the wall where you plug in your lamp, toaster, vibrator,... uhmm, or whatever you are using at the time. Sockets are already installed into the wall, you dont buy one, you just buy a lamp and plug it in. Unfortunately, wikipedia calls this a lamp, but we call it a light bulb. Maybe that's causing some confusion.

When I say there's nothing installed in her ceiling, I mean the room doesnt have one of these.

So, basically, yes her apartment (and room) has electrical cabling installed (inside the walls) and connected to sockets. All she needs is a floor lamp, or one for her night table that she can plug in.

Ok, I hope that helps. But if there's still confusion please say so. It really helps to know how foreigners interpret what we say.

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[Zilverzmurfen]

Yuki described it very well for me, it made sense.

Originally Posted by OROD

I dont know what you mean by "socket with a bulb"?

With a 'socket with a bulb' I meant the thing you screw your bulb into. (Now there's an opening for the out of the context quote thread...) These are of course mostly already 'fixed' onto the armature/lamp but can sometimes be 'loose' (like for example you may not need a fancy lamp for your garage/cellar storage etc).

Originally Posted by OROD

To me, a socket is the thing in the wall where you plug in your lamp, toaster, vibrator,... uhmm, or whatever you are using at the time. Sockets are already installed into the wall, you dont buy one, you just buy a lamp and plug it in.

Yup. Those are sockets to me too. As for the lamp it can also be called an armature.

Originally Posted by OROD

Unfortunately, wikipedia calls this a lamp, but we call it a light bulb.

That would be a light bulb for me too.

But in swedish it can loosely be called a 'lamp', which is why we tend to differentiate between lamps and armatures.

Originally Posted by OROD

When I say there's nothing installed in her ceiling, I mean the room doesnt have one of these.

OROD, those are all lamps/armatures!

They all go in your ceiling, but to be able to use one of those you have to have what I meant by installed electricity in your ceiling (again; if you don't want to have cabling running up along your walls, which would look really ugly ), ie. electric cables coming out from your ceiling.

Yuki said she had nothing on her ceiling.

Originally Posted by OROD

So, basically, yes her apartment (and room) has electrical cabling installed (inside the walls) and connected to sockets. All she needs is a floor lamp, or one for her night table that she can plug in.

...and then she would just have to duct tape the floor lamp onto the ceiling or what..?

Nono...by my standards you need to have a lamp in your ceiling to be able to get sufficient light. But then again, I'm just relating to the standards we have over here.

Originally Posted by OROD

It really helps to know how foreigners interpret what we say.

Hey, you're the foreigner!


And since I now know what you all are talking about I will not 'contribute' to this thread anymore. All is clear now, thank you!

[Maeve_Mari]

Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen

Wait a second, is there something I'm missing out due to translations problems here?

Is the issue that there is no lamp (ie. armature) or that there are no electric cables 'installed'?

(By 'electric cables installed' I mean that the electric cables comes down from the ceiling next to the little hook where you hang your armature?)

The original discussion issue was that there is not an electric cable installed in her bedroom. We seem to have mixed debate as to whether that is normal or not, but I think the discussion has moved on past that.
If she were to try to argue the lamp/lighting fixture issue with the landlord (or housing authority) it'd be met with blank stares and a dismissal in California/Los Angeles.

One thing I thought about while reading this thread is that there are different codes and expectations in all the states, and cities too I suppose. I know that there are some cities where you can actually rent an apartment which requires that you bring your own stove or refridgerator! I would be astounded to have a rental property that didnt come with a stove or refridgerator, but have actually seen listings that included words like "large, sunny kitchen with stove included!"

Here's a picture of a living room in America. You cant see the whole room, but you can see that there arent any lights/armature installed on the ceiling... the room is lit with windows and table lamps. Pretty typical living room.

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by OROD

Unfortunately, wikipedia calls this a lamp, but we call it a light bulb. Maybe that's causing some confusion.

While "light bulb" is the common term "lamp" is the correct (technical) term (used by lighting professionals).

[akaiyuki]

Originally Posted by Fencergrl

While "light bulb" is the common term "lamp" is the correct (technical) term (used by lighting professionals).

That's confusing. I need to buy a lamp for my floor lamp.

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by Maeve_Mari

Here's a picture of a living room in America. You cant see the whole room, but you can see that there arent any lights/armature installed on the ceiling...

Actually you can't see much of the ceiling at all...

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

That's confusing. I need to buy a lamp for my floor lamp.

Or rather, you need to buy a lamp for your armature.

[Maeve_Mari]

Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen

Actually you can't see much of the ceiling at all...

Well, you can see part of the ceiling and you can see alot of the ceiling in the sitting room too.

[scrapinpeg]

I am a well-educated person who has been speaking English for more than three decades, and who has lived in many regions of the country. I have never heard the word "armature" used, in any context, to refer to anything.

The thing that actually emits light has always and only been called a "light bulb" in my experience.

A "lamp" has always and only referred to fixtures and furnishings which contain light bulbs.

A "socket" can refer either to the part of a lamp into which one screws a light bulb (commonly called a "light socket") or the receptacle in the wall where one plugs an electrical cord (also commonly called an "outlet").



"Armature." Huh. Persnickety kids with their highfalutin' jargon. (Goes off in a grumpy huff).

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by akaiyuki

That's confusing. I need to buy a lamp for my floor lamp.

No, you would say "I need to buy a lamp for my fixture". I'm not saying that it's common use, but if you were an architect/ engineer/ designer/ lighting professional you would say that way.

But then again.... you would have other silly jargon you would use as well. So most of your friends would just smile and nod by now.... recognizing that you've started talking in "that weird language".

[OROD]

Look, what I was trying to say is that words like "lamp" (for a light bulb) and "armature" are more technical terms that a contractor might use. A normal person would never call a light bulb a "lamp", since lamp pretty much always means the fixture in which you put a bulb. And they'd never refer to a lamp as an armature. At least, not in the U.S., maybe it's different in Canada or England I dont know.

Also, I never heard of 'ceiling electricity' until now. Sorry Zz.

EDIT: Then again, maybe in Sweden lightning is called "sky electricity". Heheheheh.
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