Olympic Information sure to annoy you

**veeco** · 08-21-2002 11:32 AM

Darius, You're funny! I don't know if you're serious or not, probably not, but anyway, I'll explain for those who don't understand:

Paume = Palm. It was a form of tennis that was played with the palm of the hand and no racquet.

However, Darius spelt it Pomme = Apple. Playing tennis with apples would indeed be messy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

As far as pelote basque, it's a game that is played with a small fast ball and a kind of hard glove that covers the hand. You throw a ball against a wall and your opponent has to catch it back and send it in the same movement. It's a very traditional sport in the south west of France, but I don't know if it's played much out there in the world. Certainly beat the definition that a sport has to be played all over the world...

**edew** · 08-21-2002 11:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by veeco:
There is quite a difference between having a sport recognized by the IOC and having that sport actually part of the program of the olympics, if I understand correctly.

Basically having a sport recognized by the IOC basically means: "yes we know you exist and we think that what you do fits our definition of sport".

I don't see why "tug of war" wouldn't fit the definition of sport for anyone. Now having bridge and chess being recognized as sports, that's another matter (and I am quite avid chess player myself).

There are actually some interesting discussions about this (chess) on the rec.sport.olympics newsgroup.

Anyway, I guess all I wanted to say was that you should not expect to see tug of war on the olympic program anytime soon.<hr /></blockquote>How about hearts as a recognized IOC sport? The top-three players get the gold/silver/bronze, the loser has to walk in 4" heels into the local deli, order a tuna and mayo sandwich with extra large pickles on the side.

**edew** · 08-21-2002 11:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by veeco:
Darius, You're funny! I don't know if you're serious or not, probably not, but anyway, I'll explain for those who don't understand:

Paume = Palm. It was a form of tennis that was played with the palm of the hand and no racquet.

However, Darius spelt it Pomme = Apple. Playing tennis with apples would indeed be messy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .

As far as pelote basque, it's a game that is played with a small fast ball and a kind of hard glove that covers the hand. You throw a ball against a wall and your opponent has to catch it back and send it in the same movement. It's a very traditional sport in the south west of France, but I don't know if it's played much out there in the world. Certainly beat the definition that a sport has to be played all over the world...<hr /></blockquote>Are you sure that jeu de paume isn't some other "solo" game played with the palm? I think it's a shooting sport.

**JEC** · 08-21-2002 12:06 PM

My dad used to play "pelota vasca" (or pelote basque), and when I was a kid, I played a few times (quite poorly). Veeco's description is accurate as far as I recall. This sport evolved to be played with tennis racquet using the same ball and large court and is called "Fronton".

[ 08-21-2002, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: JEC ]

**Inquartata** · 08-21-2002 06:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
[QUOTE]Are you sure that jeu de paume isn't some other "solo" game played with the palm? I think it's a shooting sport.<hr /></blockquote>Oh, come off it!

**edew** · 08-22-2002 07:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Inquartata:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
[QUOTE]Are you sure that jeu de paume isn't some other "solo" game played with the palm? I think it's a shooting sport.<hr /></blockquote>Oh, come off it!<hr /></blockquote>Ok, maybe it's a ball-playing sport.

**veeco** · 08-22-2002 09:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by edew:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by veeco:
There is quite a difference between having a sport recognized by the IOC and having that sport actually part of the program of the olympics, if I understand correctly.

Basically having a sport recognized by the IOC basically means: "yes we know you exist and we think that what you do fits our definition of sport".

I don't see why "tug of war" wouldn't fit the definition of sport for anyone. Now having bridge and chess being recognized as sports, that's another matter (and I am quite avid chess player myself).

There are actually some interesting discussions about this (chess) on the rec.sport.olympics newsgroup.

Anyway, I guess all I wanted to say was that you should not expect to see tug of war on the olympic program anytime soon.<hr /></blockquote>How about hearts as a recognized IOC sport? The top-three players get the gold/silver/bronze, the loser has to walk in 4" heels into the local deli, order a tuna and mayo sandwich with extra large pickles on the side.<hr /></blockquote>No chance that that's gonna happen. This form of hearts is not being played enough in and around the world. It's seems very localized to the Bay Area right now.<g>

**135711** · 08-22-2002 03:45 PM

edew[other chess fanciers too] i used to play too, was a member of the chess federation in the 1970's. i used to play those simulataneous chess matches, in fact i participated in the largest simulataneous match in 1976 with 186 participants, against jude acres, and eventually, after playing for 12 hours, i had to concede the game. later on i rechallenged him in 1981 in a simulaneous match with about 10 players, but lost again. he was a junior chess master at that time, now, most likely deceased. i retried the chess thing again, but really don't want to pursue the thing right now, it's too anal retentive for me and makes me CRAZY, except for special occassions and only speed chess, but now, even as i even contemplate the game, i decide i really don't want to play anymore, just memorizing all those openings was enough to make me crazy. i heard the game hearts is pretty good, maybe we should include those type of things for countries that don't have a lot of money, get them rolling in the thing, and see what happens.

[ 08-22-2002, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: 135711 ]

Mo · 08-22-2002 11:36 PM

The issue I was trying to bring up by posting the IOC "recognized sports" is that once a sport is recognized by the IOC it is ripe for becoming an Olympic Sport.
Women's Saber has just recently been recognized by the IOC as a sport worthy of the Olympics even though Men's Saber has been around forever.
That does not mean that every sport recognized by the IOC will become an Olympic sport but it is not impossible either.
The way women's saber was added to the Olympic roster is just heinous, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> there is no question about that.
This country has some indubitable potential to produce good fencers on all weapons but WS is perking up very quickly. There are some amazing young WS fencers out there who could do plenty for the sport. The chance is there for now, too bad the IOC is a bunch of morons! If only we could offer some bribes, anyone have an in for free college for the kids of IOC Officials??

**135711** · 08-23-2002 04:51 PM

you may not get want you want by calling someone a bunch of morons. why not do want taekwondo did in 1988, send a demonstration group, and it'll be added in due course.

Mo · 08-23-2002 05:54 PM

you may not get want you want by calling someone a bunch of morons. why not do want taekwondo did in 1988, send a demonstration group, and it'll be added in due course.

You can call people morons all you want as long as you don't do it where they can hear you.
In answer to your question though, WS has been added as of the last FIE meeting but they still took out Women's Team Foil and Men's Team saber.
No diving events were eliminated when syncro diving was added.
No gymnastics events were eliminated when Trampoline was added.
There has never been something taken away so the same thing could be added for women in a sport genre.
The problem is the IOC will not add two medals JUST TWO medals for Women's saber when they have the event there for men.
The situation is ludicrous and the IOC Officials who went down this path ARE MORONS.
What can I say?

**edew** · 08-23-2002 09:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by veeco:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by shyHeidi:
squash? life saving? what is this stuff?<hr /></blockquote>Squash is kinda like racquetball with different rules. But basically it's the same idea. You are stuck into a room with a racquet, a squishy ball, and someone armed with a racquet. The object of the game is to send the ball on the wall in front of you and prevent the other person from sending that ball to the wall again. It's probably one of the most tiring and cardiovascular intensive sports that I know of. You expense a LOT of calories playing squash!<hr /></blockquote>Actually, if you're a skilled player, you don't have to expend that much energy. I've seen and played with skilled players. They just stand in the middle and make me run circles around them trying to hit the ball. I don't think some of the very good ones broke sweat at all. On the other hand, I got a great workout.

**135711** · 08-24-2002 04:14 PM

try batmitton, really, just give it a try, it's all speed, the birdie is the trick it's great. i still say, skip the moron thing, it works against you, because eventually the other people hear it:

"the enemy of my friend, is the friend of my friend"

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