Please confirm brutality card

[John Nguyen]

Today, I found out that I DIDN'T have 2 cavities, as my previous checkup pointed out.

After hearing the good news, I went home to get changed for fencing practice.

At fencing, I beat this cocky fellow who noone likes, because he is "god's gift to fencing." Someone said he's a TRUE novice. But they said it in a mean way, can anyone explain that derogatory comment? Anyways, he whips pretty hard, and his parries are like tha cane-ings of Michael Faye in a Singapore prison cell.

I was advised to just WAIT for his attach, then parry riposte all day.

I did, and the guy got SO pissed. I won the bout 5 -2. Afterwards he congratulated me and said "good match, but you might want to watch your parries, because they'll give you a yellow card for brutality."

I told everyone else in the club, and they said he was BSing because brutality would be similar to me headbutting a person, not so much as hard parries. PLUS, I was only fighting fire with fire. No matter, the guy usually leaves after he gets beat. And I beat him at 8:20, when practice runs from 8 - 10, so therefore, we didn't have to deal with him that night!

heh heh!!!

But again, please confirm this. And could someone also look at my other posting about my Fleche move.

Thanks

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[John Nguyen]

Oh, I forgot though...

The day turned to $hit, when I went to my car after practice and found that my car had been ransacked and broken into. They even took my friggin altoids!!!!

I hate the Richmond Area. Lived here all my life, but still hate it here! grrr

BASTARDS!

[Inquartata]

Never heard of a brutal parry before...

[John Nguyen]

Good, so can you refer to my other post about beating the blade out of someone's hand, while ALMOST instantly, I score a touch?

[veeco]

Brutal parry no, that cannot be true.

But if in the course of parrying or riposting you are being brutal then you deserve to be carded. For instance let's say you parry and when you riposte you provoke a brutal corps a corps, or even jostle your opponent. That would be considered a cardable offense.

One would have to see the action to be able to say whether this action would have deserved a card for brutality or not.

As far as beating someone's blade out of their hand, if you score in the same tempo, then the touch is valid. Otherwise it's not.

So basically if you do, for example beat-blade "oups it fell out of my hand" touch in one continuous motion it's a valid hit.

Otherwise if you do, for example beat-blade "oups it fell out of my hand" thrust "damn I missed" remise touch, then the hit is not valid.

Now this would not be something I would rely on too much, though. Because after they start gaining more experience people will learn to deal with that and you will be hit.

Basically in order to beat someone's blade with enough force so that the blade flies from that person's hand, assuming that the person is holding their weapon correctly, of course, you'd have to give great momentum to your own blade. In order to gain that momentum you'd have to expose a significant portion of your target area. Anyone who can do a derobement or a coupe will be all over you in a couple of touches and you will lose a lot of points.

<small>[ 08-07-2002, 03:33 AM: Message edited by: veeco ]</small>

[HilandDoug]

"watch your parries, because they'll give you a yellow card for brutality."



Sounds like the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. How can you be brutal while on the defensive? Did he also tell you that stomping his brakes make his car go really fast?

[Moonitic]

Boy, this sounds familiar...

It also sounds like Mr. Delusional was just trying to talk. Ya gotta feel sorry for people like that.

[John Nguyen]

HAHAHAA! You guys are ALL right. Yeah, I only "brutally" parried in order to fight fire with fire. on the last point, is when I started "brutality" moves. The whole match he had been doing that to me. Then after 4-2 my lead, I decided to have fun and mock him. So when he tried to parry me "HARD" I didn't let my blade fall, but I let it dangle on my forefingers, and act like it was limp. He didn't like that so he began a remise? of the attack, and I stepped to the side and flicked him on the back for the final touch.

(Cheers and laughter exploded..then after the voices in my head had subsided, I shook hands with him)

I love fencing, because no matter how good you think you are, there is always someone better, so theres no point in being cocky

[epeemike81]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by John Nguyen:
<strong>I love fencing, because no matter how good you think you are, there is always someone better, so theres no point in being cocky </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">True in almost any activity....

also, that doesn't stop most fencers from being arrogant.

-m

[John Nguyen]

makes beating them even more better though....heh heh...

[MikeHarm]

Only way I could see a director saying it was brutality is if maybe in the course of parrying you slammed the ole guards together hard enough to mangle the opponents weapon or knock 'em down. I haven't seen this happen exactly, but I've known people to go with the card for corpse-a-corpse on the guard slam before directing so I figure if you took it to an extreme it might be considered brutal.

[Craig]

no all-caps for subject lines please.

[John Nguyen]

my apoligies <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

[135711]

" I told everyone else in the club, and they said he was BSing because brutality would be similar to me headbutting a person, not so much as hard parries. PLUS, I was only fighting fire with fire. No matter, the guy usually leaves after he gets beat. And I beat him at 8:20, when practice runs from 8 - 10, so therefore, we didn't have to deal with him that night!"

i'd like to know why you had to run around and talk to everyone in your salle about it.

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[John Nguyen]

because I did so politely and I ask questions constantly just so I can hear what others have to say. If the person answers I usually acknowledge. In fact, when said opponent came up to me, I was like "ok, sir", and then others approached me as to ask what he said, I told them, and then the discussion was brought up. So your assumption that I "went around to EVERYONE in the club" maybe have been a little inaccurate, but that is partly my fault, im too lazy to look at previous posts, but I did not do so until I realized noone liked him. And the whole club doesn't constitute 5 foilists, but thanks for the compliment on my people skills.

[John Nguyen]

replace word told with "asked,"

our modern day language doesn't seem to support my thought process.

[epeefencer74]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">Originally posted by MikeHarm:
<strong>Only way I could see a director saying it was brutality is if maybe in the course of parrying you slammed the ole guards together hard enough to mangle the opponents weapon or knock 'em down. I haven't seen this happen exactly, but I've known people to go with the card for corpse-a-corpse on the guard slam before directing so I figure if you took it to an extreme it might be considered brutal.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Helvetica, Arial">I've had something like this happen once. my opponent parried six and in his riposte slammed his guard so hard into mine that my epee broke at the tang. He didn't score nor did he get a yellow card. I guess they figured he didn't do it on purpose.