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KD5MDK · 07-26-2006, 09:41 PM

Poking around for other reasons, I happened to come across a very interesting tournament flyer I thought I'd share with people. Not exactly your standard tournament, eh?

http://www.fenceintexas.org/PDFfiles...gDifferent.pdf

kilo_foxtrot · 07-26-2006, 10:12 PM

Amazing. I'd do it.

mrbiggs · 07-27-2006, 12:29 AM

That exact format was mentioned here a while ago, though I have no idea where. It sounds like a lot of fun.

Dax · 07-27-2006, 12:43 AM

that sounds rather amazing.

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-27-2006, 12:45 AM

I want to do a tournament where the person with the highest seed out of pools is automatically eliminated......

Dev · 07-27-2006, 12:46 AM

Sounds like a blast.

Goldgar · 07-27-2006, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Poking around for other reasons, I happened to come across a very interesting tournament flyer I thought I'd share with people. Not exactly your standard tournament, eh?

http://www.fenceintexas.org/PDFfiles...gDifferent.pdf

I love it! We hold mixed doubles events from time to time, and we have our "Adult Swim" coming up, but this is a new one to me. I think I'll steal it!

Zilverzmurfen · 07-27-2006, 02:51 AM

Sounds like fun! I'd definitely go if I lived nearby.

akaiyuki · 07-27-2006, 03:21 AM

Gaahhh why am I not 21 yet?

Gav · 07-27-2006, 04:49 AM

Heh. I'd do this. Can you imagine a team event run like this! Excellent.

campb1pr · 07-27-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gav

Can you imagine a team event run like this! Excellent.

We used to run a team event like this in college - I am sure it was not original, but it went like this:

three person teams - mixed gender or all one, didn't matter.
Teams submit order of their fencers to ref without other team knowing. Each fencer fences once. Team captains come to strip, and a coin is flipped. The winning team picks the first weapon, the losing team picks the second, and the third is fenced last. THEN the order of the fencers is revealed. So, if you win the coin flip, you are picking weapon only knowing which of your fencers is first, not the other team's. We would fence three 5 touch bouts, and add the score (this was way before relay team format -now I would suggest relay team to 15.) In the event of a tie, the ref would pick one fencer from each team randomly, and a weapon, randomly, and they would fence one touch bout.

It was a lot of fun, and the only thing that took a while was the switching of lames for foil, and body cords, if everyone wasn't wearing both cords. (this was before elec. sabre....) Otherwise it went pretty quickly.

RebelFencer · 07-27-2006, 08:44 AM

I like this, I'd do it if I were in Texas.

bbower · 07-27-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

I want to do a tournament where the person with the highest seed out of pools is automatically eliminated......

That would be stupid.

EpeeConvert · 07-27-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bbower

That would be stupid.

Only if you tell the fencers before pools. It would be quite a surprise.

little_old_me · 07-27-2006, 09:54 AM

hmmm... Sounds really fun.

nyacfencing · 07-27-2006, 10:42 AM

This sounds like so much fun! I have tried to hold fun tournaments in the Metropolitan division before, but can never get any takers

The fencers here are a little too focused sometimes...

keropie · 07-27-2006, 11:21 AM

There used to be an event in Greensboro, NC, that was sort of similar. The "No Reason" Open, I believe they called it. It was a 3 person team event (I can't recall if it was fenced to victory or relay, but probably just to victory), and at the beginning of each bout, you rolled a die. 1-2 was foil, 3-4 was saber, 5-6 was epee, and each team got one reroll per match.

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-27-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bbower

That would be stupid.

Thanks, Brian. Love you too.

No, Wayne and I were discussing it--- It might not be fun and/or useful to the competitors, but from a running things perpective, it would be hillarious to watch.

Because you don't want to be the actual highest seed, but you do want to be the second highest seed..................

It actually came out of a discussion he and I had regarding the fact that someone was very upset that when she and someone else tied for first out of pools, she was randomly selected by the computer to fence as the second seed (and lost pretty quickly). She was very upset, declared that it certainly couldn't be the standard format, and threatened to call the division officers and the national office.

The other format I was discussing .... here? (Or maybe it was with Wayne again....) is a Calvinball format. There are a number of ways to score touches all put into a hat at the begining--- For example, a foil attack is called as if the rules are for sabre. Or only beat attacks score touches. or other bizarre rule changes. Directors may choose to pick one or more of these rule changes out of a hat at the begining of the pool or DE bout. The fencers then have to figure it out. They may ask questions in exactly the way they do now (wasn't that my parry reposte? yes, but you did not score a touch! .... or, whatever...), but if they can't figure it out, they will probably lose!

This at least has a point. It trains fencers to stop *****ing about the idiosyncracies of directors (or misconceptions. or just being BAD.) and figuring out what the director is seeing, so that you can win.

Brian will probably respond that we should instead just make refs better.

Sorry, that takes a while, and probably won't ever happen enough.

Goldgar · 07-27-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

The other format I was discussing .... here? (Or maybe it was with Wayne again....) is a Calvinball format.

But will there be smooching?

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There are a number of ways to score touches all put into a hat at the begining--- For example, a foil attack is called as if the rules are for sabre. Or only beat attacks score touches. or other bizarre rule changes. Directors may choose to pick one or more of these rule changes out of a hat at the begining of the pool or DE bout. The fencers then have to figure it out. They may ask questions in exactly the way they do now (wasn't that my parry reposte? yes, but you did not score a touch! .... or, whatever...), but if they can't figure it out, they will probably lose!

This at least has a point. It trains fencers to stop *****ing about the idiosyncracies of directors (or misconceptions. or just being BAD.) and figuring out what the director is seeing, so that you can win.

I like it! But it's probably better only to do it in DE bouts, if the rules are going to change with each bout. 5 touches isn't much time to figure out and adjust to a rule that is wildly out of the ordinary.

KD5MDK · 07-27-2006, 01:20 PM

The obvious answer is not to allow yourself to be hit at all. So, beat attack lands, then immediately parry-riposte, etc.