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Peach · 07-26-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe biebel

t.133 Any denomination offered to a referee less than $50 shall be punished with all 2-light actions and penalties being called against said fencer. The currency must be placed under the bell pad (no clear bellpads may be used for this purpose) so that only the referee and the fencer offering the bribe may actually see the bribe or the amount offered.

But where's the inflation adjustment? This rule would have to be rewritten every few years. Not to mention that a Division I would have to have a higher rate, while in a small local tournament I would think that a Snickers bar would be sufficient.

sabreur · 07-26-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe biebel

t.133 .... so that only the referee and the fencer offering the bribe may actually see the bribe or the amount offered.

Why would the fencer need to see it?

Joe biebel · 07-26-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sabreur

Why would the fencer need to see it?

Hey, I don't write the rules! Okay, maybe this time I did, but now you see why I'm never invited to the rules writing commitees.

KD5MDK · 07-26-2006, 11:02 AM

So that when the referee smacks him in disgust the fencer can realize he taped $1s where $100s should go.

KD5MDK · 07-26-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Peach

But where's the inflation adjustment? This rule would have to be rewritten every few years. Not to mention that a Division I would have to have a higher rate, while in a small local tournament I would think that a Snickers bar would be sufficient.

Then you just have to keep track of which referees prefer Milky Way. Or can we just short it all out and presume everybody prefers Three Musketeers.

seak · 07-26-2006, 11:11 AM

Let me just state that I am open to Chocolate bribery of any kind (so long as it's really chocolate and not that white stuff). Of course the nicer the chocolate you buy the more calls I will throw your way.

For instance at a small local tournament a 3 musketeers bar for the pool is fine, but if you want me to keep throwing it to you all the way through DE's some lindt truffles might be nice.

If I am reffing you at Cherry Blossom, I want Godiva

As a side note, members of the BC can also be bribed with chocolate to place you in a slightly easier pool, or the first or second flight, based on your preference (if I'm on the BC that is)

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-26-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

Then you just have to keep track of which referees prefer Milky Way. Or can we just short it all out and presume everybody prefers Three Musketeers.

What about those of us that are lactose intolerant?

Or, as some say, Lactards?

sabreur · 07-26-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

What about those of us that are lactose intolerant?

Two Lactaid caplets and a Ben and Jerry's gift certificate....

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-26-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sabreur

Two Lactaid caplets and a Ben and Jerry's gift certificate....

I would probably need 6 to 8 extra strength caplets for a small Ben&Jerry's cone. ........I'm a hardkore Lactard.

Instead, might I suggest a wholefoods gift card in the amount of a pint of SoyDream? Peanut Butter ZigZag is truly magnificent.

dramamine · 07-26-2006, 11:42 AM

If it's a poule I don't really bother. After the bout I might go up to the referee and calmy discuss it but I won't make a big deal out of it. The reason I even bother is because odds are I know I have the guy for at least 4 more bouts; it's not a bad idea to get to know what he's like.

DE's, I usually just (semi) politely ask questions like "wasn't there more than one blade contact?" or "didn't he search for my blade?" but that's pretty much it.

With inexperienced referees I run into the problem of the fencer who screams getting the touch in simult. attacks. Well, then I scream, and yell, and fleche for no reason (because those referees often also give the touch to someone who fleches for no apparent reason - maybe it's easier to see or something). Body language helps too - like someone said, walking back confidently like it's your touch, but a good referee will probably ignore you.

KD5MDK · 07-26-2006, 12:30 PM

I'm not going to give you a touch because you act like it was yours. I'm not as likely to award a touch if you act like it wasn't yours.

RITFencing · 07-26-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I'm not going to give you a touch because you act like it was yours. I'm not as likely to award a touch if you act like it wasn't yours.

So really, you ARE more likely to award a touch if the fencer acts like it was theirs than if they act as if it wasn't theirs.

RoninX · 07-26-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauler

As a fencer, or as a coach, what are your "tricks of the trade" that tips the refereeing in your favor, time after time?

I hitch up my knickers and show a little man thigh. Works every time

eac · 07-26-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe biebel

Sometimes "downunder" seems a little harsh, but this is something I totally agree with. Any fencer (good or otherwise) that tries to put pressure on me to see things their way will be presured right back in the form of a card. It is a cardable offense to speak to the referee before they make their decision.

1) Motioning a riposte is not speaking.
2) There seem to be several rules concerning speaking that are not remotely enforced. For instance, it says that it's illegal to give any advice to the fencers between the commands of "fence" and "halt," and yet many coaches at Nationals and sometimes at World Cups yell at their fencers about tactics while they fence. [Edit: I remember in Vancouver, even Sanzo's coach was yelling advice at him in Italian!]
3) Furthermore, it says that it's illegal to influence the referee in any way whatsoever, and yet we have a whole thread, started by a well-known referee, talking about methods of influencing referees. It seems clear that there is much leeway in the interpretation of these rules, and that National and International referees card for them only in the most blatant and egregious of cases, if then.

MyrddinsPrecint · 07-26-2006, 03:08 PM

So: A ref cards a fencer for influencing a ref. When the fencer asks why, the response is "you were trying to psychically influence me" (which, I mean, I do all the time.... thinking "my beat attack, my beat attack!".... it never works.)

That would be a "matter of fact", and thus couldn't be disputed, n'est-ce pas?

sabreur · 07-27-2006, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

So: A ref cards a fencer for influencing a ref. When the fencer asks why, the response is "you were trying to psychically influence me" (which, I mean, I do all the time.... thinking "my beat attack, my beat attack!".... it never works.)

That would be a "matter of fact", and thus couldn't be disputed, n'est-ce pas?

You need to wear a little tinfoil cap--it helps your psychic waves get past the mesh of your mask and penetrate the ref's thick skull...

OROD · 07-27-2006, 04:37 AM

If it's a female ref I give her a big smile, flex my huge arm, and blow her a kiss. Girls love that!

If it's a male ref, I inform them that if the bout doesnt go my way I'll crush their skull between my forearm and bicep.

I dont lose many bouts.

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akaiyuki · 07-27-2006, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OROD

If it's a female ref I give her a big smile, flex my huge arm, and blow her a kiss. Girls love that!

If it's a male ref, I inform them that if the bout doesnt go my way I'll crush their skull between my forearm and bicep.

I dont lose many bouts.

I wonder why OROD isn't an A06 yet...

OROD · 07-27-2006, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by akaiyuki

I wonder why OROD isn't an A06 yet...

Oops, wrong thread... you must be looking for the "What do you wonder about the person above you?" thread.

OROD · 07-27-2006, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by akaiyuki

I wonder why OROD isn't an A06 yet...

And the answer is... there's only so many refs you can take out before the police get wise.