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07-24-2006, 04:56 PM
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| Without hope, what do any of us have? I had to try, didn't I? Oh well... 
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07-24-2006, 05:11 PM
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#23 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Maybe. Where do you draw the line, though.
You're wearing a black glove. That's OK. And black socks. That's supposed to OK, too. Now black shoes. And one of those black lamés. And a black mask. Still OK?
Is it ONLY a black jacket that's out? Or black jacket and knickers?
I'd rather stick with white. The question never arises then. | Actually, black lame, black socks and black breaches as well as black jackets are against the rules (M.25.3). If there is black in the National logo, that is all right. Of course this is FIE rules. The USFA has not adopted the new M.25.3, so black socks are legal for USFA competitions.
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07-24-2006, 05:20 PM
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#24 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by Gamling Huh. I heard in some fencing magazine that team colors in fencing would be a great idea. In Football, basketball, ect, every fan loves the colors of their favorite team.
That way the audience would know which country, state, is fighting who and not get mixed up. | They already have this, but it is inconsistent in it's application. It can get to the point, if one fencer has one of their national logos faded, every fencer will have to get 2 new logos and all will have to sew on these new logos.
Or suppose someone only uses an Infinity lame' (brown), unless everyone has an Infinity lame' of the same shade, they will need to buy a new lame', since I have not seen Infinity lame' sold at any Worlds or Cups.
It would be nice to have team colors, but who is going to put out the bucks. Does the USFA spend more money just on the elite fencers. Considering how rediculous they are getting each World Team member will have to be supplied with all new 'Uniform' of jacket, breaches, socks and lame' at every World.
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07-25-2006, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr They already have this, but it is inconsistent in it's application. It can get to the point, if one fencer has one of their national logos faded, every fencer will have to get 2 new logos and all will have to sew on these new logos.
Or suppose someone only uses an Infinity lame' (brown), unless everyone has an Infinity lame' of the same shade, they will need to buy a new lame', since I have not seen Infinity lame' sold at any Worlds or Cups.
It would be nice to have team colors, but who is going to put out the bucks. Does the USFA spend more money just on the elite fencers. Considering how rediculous they are getting each World Team member will have to be supplied with all new 'Uniform' of jacket, breaches, socks and lame' at every World. | Don,
How snippy are they?
Does the jacket have to be like, the same brand? So one team member cant wear allstar and the other uhlmann?
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07-25-2006, 04:25 AM
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#26 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| And surely they should all be the same size as well, otherwise they aren't identical. 
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07-25-2006, 08:23 AM
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#27 | | Senior Member
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| I believe I've seen some kids at my club with black gloves made by VNITI...Maybe I imagined it.
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07-25-2006, 01:33 PM
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#28 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! Don,
How snippy are they?
Does the jacket have to be like, the same brand? So one team member cant wear allstar and the other uhlmann? | So far no. As many of you know the vendors appear to be more important than the fencers to the various national and international administrators. They started requiring the same socks for all at the Jr./Cadet Worlds until the vendors ran out of socks. They were going to also require the same color lame', but the vendors informed they did not have enough to sell. Because some were faded, non embroydered, and some sewn on, they had to sew on patches of the U.S. Logo on every team member. Of course the Addidas stripes were not allowed.
The trouble is M.25.3 is open to interpretation. What does identical means. MM might be at some competition and decide that identical does mean same brand. Luckily masks are not part of the uniform.
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07-25-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr
The trouble is M.25.3 is open to interpretation. What does identical means. MM might be at some competition and decide that identical does mean same brand. Luckily masks are not part of the uniform.
| I can just imagine the fun of trying to swap sabre visor masks around so each team all has the same brand (and right size). | |
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07-25-2006, 09:35 PM
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#30 | | Senior Member
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| Vniti does make an all black glove - I haven't tried it. We sell them at our club - several people have tried them - some seem to love them - but I've also heard complaints that they don't last very long. | |
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