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hpfencing · 07-10-2006, 11:17 PM

Ok we need input, what is everyones thoughts and what not for next years circuit before we start pushing foward with it?

or should we push forward with it?

oiuyt · 07-20-2006, 02:57 PM

Apparently people in RMS don't think much... :)

-B

Jay Kominek · 07-27-2006, 03:45 PM

From what I remember of the Colorado Division meeting, there wasn't a whole lot of interest in the circuit one way or the other. I got the feeling that few people were interested in travelling outside of Colorado for anything less than NACs/Nationals. There was some grumbling about the RMSC picking the Air Force Academy tournaments in the past, which aren't even Division-run tournaments, but I don't remember if anyone had even decided to talk to you about it. Oh, and someone was telling everyone that there had already been some 2006-2007 circuit events. (Presumably not the case if you're asking about pushing ahead with it?)

I don't know what pushing forward requires (besides probably clearing up a lot of misinformation and actually describing it to everyone?), but I figure whoever has whatever authority there is probably ought to just go ahead and do it.

hpfencing · 07-29-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Kominek

From what I remember of the Colorado Division meeting, there wasn't a whole lot of interest in the circuit one way or the other. I got the feeling that few people were interested in travelling outside of Colorado for anything less than NACs/Nationals. There was some grumbling about the RMSC picking the Air Force Academy tournaments in the past, which aren't even Division-run tournaments, but I don't remember if anyone had even decided to talk to you about it. Oh, and someone was telling everyone that there had already been some 2006-2007 circuit events. (Presumably not the case if you're asking about pushing ahead with it?)

I don't know what pushing forward requires (besides probably clearing up a lot of misinformation and actually describing it to everyone?), but I figure whoever has whatever authority there is probably ought to just go ahead and do it.

Ok a little information about the RMSC.

1. It will run with the SAME calendar as the USFA Aug-July
2. Clubs can submit their proposal for their event to be part of the RMSC.
3. Only 1 event from each divison will be used
4. A tournament with a division's endorsement will be looked at first.

This is for fun to encourage people to travel. There will be a lot of cool prizes for everyone.

Feltan · 08-06-2006, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

Apparently people in RMS don't think much...

-B

Not exactly; we just don't think much of, or about, the RMS. Despite the fine efforts of hpfencing, the section is so geographically dispersed that most RMS members simply ignore the fact they are in the RMS -- it has little to no bearing on where they compete.

Regards,
Feltan

JayhawkPawn · 08-12-2006, 03:51 PM

I agree wholly with Feltan, as a Fencer in Kansas, driving to DFW, or even Austin is at shortest a 9 or 10 hour drive, whereas I can compete in Minnesota for the same amount of drive time, and it's cheaper, so take that, Texas.

Why is the Rocky Mountain Section so godawfully big? We're almost 2 3/4 sections, is it the wide displacement of fencers? Not enough fencers? Genral bias against state sthat don't have New York attatched to it?

Parry Prime · 08-12-2006, 09:02 PM

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driving to DFW, or even Austin is at shortest a 9 or 10 hour drive...

Those places have no bearing on this. Why would you do that for a RMS event? DFW isn't in RMS, much less Austin. We here in Lubbock, however, are. (From Kansas, probably about the same...)

arc · 08-18-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Parry Prime

Those places have no bearing on this. Why would you do that for a RMS event? DFW isn't in RMS, much less Austin. We here in Lubbock, however, are. (From Kansas, probably about the same...)

Don't forget Amarillo, too. They always seem to manage to draw Richard Nault to their tournaments, as it's two hours closer than Lubbock.

And for those who believe it's easier to travel to another bordering section to fence, I can certainly sympathize, as I can demonstrate with maps & distances that there's more fencing closer to Lubbock in SWS than RMS; however, despite a lot of debate on the topic, we chose to stay in RMS and to try to help get the various divisions more involved in keeping the section whole & healthy. Some of that is going to take compromise & patience, and some of it's going to take some work by folks from across the section.

I guess ultimately, if everyone's apathetic, there's only so much that we can do, but I for one (not least as the new section chair) would like to see a healthy section where everyone looks forward to competing within the section despite the distances involved ...

Chuck · 09-19-2006, 05:36 PM

It is now September 19, 2006. Is there a Section Cup this year? I'm guessing the answer is "no" based on the lack of information available.

hpfencing · 06-17-2007, 12:38 AM

Well we have sent out info to ALL the division officers and only heard from one division for the 2007-08 year and last year or the year before were not ANY different.

I don't think the divisions of our section want a tournament circuit.

Inquartata · 06-18-2007, 01:52 AM

A function of the obstacles Feltan and JP touched upon.

For me, Amarillo is about a 12 hour drive each way. Colorado is like 14 hours. Meanwhile I can drive to southern California in 6, and hit bigger, tougher tournaments.

It's unfortunate, but it's just the ways things are.

hpfencing · 06-19-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

A function of the obstacles Feltan and JP touched upon.

For me, Amarillo is about a 12 hour drive each way. Colorado is like 14 hours. Meanwhile I can drive to southern California in 6, and hit bigger, tougher tournaments.

It's unfortunate, but it's just the ways things are.

I agree; but it saddens me.. It's easier for us to travel to other areas of Texas as opposed to going to AZ or upper CO.

epeeforlife · 06-23-2007, 10:26 PM

The only purpose for this section is to hold the sectional qualifiers. Any other discussion is wasted whining.

Chuck · 06-24-2007, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hpfencing

Well we have sent out info to ALL the division officers and only heard from one division for the 2007-08 year and last year or the year before were not ANY different.

I don't think the divisions of our section want a tournament circuit.

This is a dead issue in the Rocky Mountain Section. In any event, the Plains Texas Division officers have received NOTHING in the way of a proposal or information about a "2007-2008 Section Tournament Circuit." Quite simply, Rocky Mountain Section is too large geographically for that kind of circuit. It is hard enough to get fencers to Sectionals from outside the division in which it is being held.

On the other hand, the Divisions are doing things within their divisions to encourage competition.

Plains Texas and New Mexico Divisions are currently working on a joint Division Cup competition for this next year. We are close enough geographically to make this feasible. Tentative plans will have each division host 3 tournaments and points can be counted from 2 tournaments from each division. The idea is to encourage our fencers to compete in tournaments outside their home division to get more experience.

I know Colorado has a "Colorado Cup" as well. I think that Nebraska has a Cup of some sort that actually crosses into another Section. It makes more sense in RMS to have the Section encouraging the divisions to take steps to encourage more competition within the divisions or in regional areas than trying to put together a circuit cup that has little chance of success.

epeeforlife · 06-24-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by hpfencing

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Well we have sent out info to ALL the division officers and only heard from one division for the 2007-08 year and last year or the year before were not ANY different.

Originally Posted by chuck

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In any event, the Plains Texas Division officers have received NOTHING in the way of a proposal or information about a "2007-2008 Section Tournament Circuit."

Maybe all of the Plains Texas Division officers have been removed and nobody told them? I bet ALL the new officers did receive the proposals and did not respond.

Jay Young · 06-24-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by epeeforlife

Originally Posted by hpfencing

Originally Posted by chuck

Maybe all of the Plains Texas Division officers have been removed and nobody told them? I bet ALL the new officers did receive the proposals and did not respond.

Being the current Vice-Chair and the Chair-Elect for 2007-2008, you are wrong. Yes, there was lots of information and communication in the planning stages, but I haven't heard anything since last year. I agree with Chuck (current Plains Texas Chair and 2007-2008 Vice-Chair elect) that the section should promote cups between close divisions rather than a large cup.

I'd suggest checking your audience before you make such allegations.

epeeforlife · 06-24-2007, 08:09 PM

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Being the current Vice-Chair and the Chair-Elect for 2007-2008, you are wrong.

Well now I'm confused. Maybe hpfencing is unaware of who the Plains Texas Division officers are. Or maybe there is a shadow government running the Plains Texas Division and that is who hpfencing is sending the info to. Of course there is still the possibility that you have been removed and nobody told you.

Jay Young · 06-25-2007, 12:10 PM

Don't worry about it. I'm close friends with HPFencing and the section chair. The section chair and I coach at the same club.

pacer · 06-26-2007, 02:40 PM

"Well we have sent out info to ALL the division officers and only heard from one division for the 2007-08 year and last year or the year before were not ANY different. "

Really? I am the division chair and the only communication I have received while in office this past year, was one message sent to the division secretary that got forwarded to me. Please update your mailing/email lists!

epeeforlife · 06-26-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pacer

Really? I am the division chair and the only communication I have received while in office this past year, was one message sent to the division secretary that got forwarded to me. Please update your mailing/email lists!

Sounds like you got removed from office unknowningly just like Jay was. Its a conspiracy!