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D'Artagnan1673 · 05-07-2002, 08:20 PM

I prefer not to get into who has more of the force. Its best to leave that to our own imagination. I was very, very dissapointed with Ep I. Lucas totally forgot what made A New Hope such a masterpiece.

I think that earilier I mentioned George Lucas in Love. Its a short comedy that parody's Shakespear in Love. We see all of the influences that made Lucas write Star Wars. Its absolutely hilarious. Everything from his hooded, blue bong toting roomate Bengi ( Ben Kanobi )who goes on about this energy field when "stimulated". His asthmatic neighbor who is bent on rulling the film school. His hippie, reverse talking teacher. The guys on campus Chuckie (who always grunts) and Hal (white shirt, black vest) who have the fastest car on campus. The list goes on. Its a riot!!!!

Catlady · 05-07-2002, 11:03 PM

I'm considering getting the new game , although I wish Power Battles was ported to PC. Even if the plot isn't great, I'd just like to get to play as/with my favorite Jedi.To be honest though, the Starwars based game I'd like to see/play would be more an rpg kind of thing set in the Old Republic. You'd have the light sabre battles and all that, but you'd get to negotiate and train and stuff like that. Out there, I know and probably nigh impossible to write, at least the way I envision it. I'm the kind of person for whom Planescape Torment was written, I like that kind of complex involved, and I'll admit in that case, somewhat sick, world in my games. That's why I'm wary about Jedi Knight II. I'm not really into the annihilate everything in your path with the big guns/your really bad vorpal sword kind of game.

To some extent Phantom Menace was a disappointment, but what I did like was a view of what the Old Republic was like. And it was the move that got me into Star Wars--I was around when the original trilogy came out, but I was only about three when ANH first came out so I wasn't really into it then.
Even now, I'm more fascinated with the Jedi Order than I am with the star pilot kind of thing. I'm going to stick my neck out and say I like Qui-Gon, although that may be somewhat of a girl thing, although Lucas didn't use him effectively and he definitely shouldn't have killed him IMHO. Supposedly the reason why Maul finally beat him was because Qui-Gon was old and didn't have the stamina--in the novelization he's supposed to be about 60, naturally they had to modify the age for the movie to fit more closely with the age of the actor--but as someone pointed out, age isn't that much of a handicap for a skilled swordsman, plus he has the force, and as any fencer would tell you, this game is a lot more mental than it appears. If he were the best sabreur in the academy you'd think he'd know that he just had to defend himself until Maul acted like a typical young hothead, and a Sith hothead at that, and made a rash move, then nail him, or maybe he was cocky from being the proclaimed best sabreur. Sorry I admit I could go on about this character and others for far much longer than anyone would want to listen. Being an amateur writer I know I read more into characters than is necessarily there. Even with extremely bad characterizations I start imagining what I'd do with the character if they were mine, so I tend to enjoy even really awful movies, which Phantom Menace wasn't although it also wasn't that fabulous--when I say bad I'm talking Ishtar, Weekend at Bernie's bad here--okay, not Weekend at Bernie's, but you get the picture. <img src="graemlins/blah.gif" border="0" alt="[Blah]" />

BTW I think there's a scene in ESB where Luke lunges, but doesn't actually do a recover. He just sort of scoots a long in that position. I guess they didn't get around to teaching him the recovery.

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D'Artagnan1673 · 05-08-2002, 06:55 AM

I think that you've got a good feel for Qui-Gonn. Lucas not being a swordsman, doesn't realize that age really isn't as great an advantage as he made it out to be. I too read the novel.

Here's something I just thought about. Are there any other Jedi or Sith that use a double ended sabre? Perhaps the added speed plus the fact that his style was unconventional was what beat Qui-Gonn.

We've got a 71 year old at our salle' who kicks are rear all day long. I got a kick out of watching him at our last tournament. I was thinking that all those youngens are thinking to themselves ," Oh look at the sweet old man. He's just lucky to have gotten over here. I'll be nice to him." They come in thinking that and he kicks their butt!!!!

Back to Star Wars. I wasn't impressed with the old republic. The whole movie felt fake. If Lucas had ditched the computer graphics and used models, it would have looked so much better. The old Star Wars looked better IMO. Puppets are superior to CGs walking around. I couldn't get a feel for the old republic or the jedi since it felt fake. Why weren't there more jedi? Even if they weren't main characters, we should have seen a few more jedi walking around other than the counsel.

The Crazy Wacker · 05-08-2002, 01:52 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Catlady:
I'm considering getting the new game , although I wish Power Battles was ported to PC. Even if the plot isn't great, I'd just like to get to play as/with my favorite Jedi.To be honest though, the Starwars based game I'd like to see/play would be more an rpg kind of thing set in the Old Republic. You'd have the light sabre battles and all that, but you'd get to negotiate and train and stuff like that. Out there, I know and probably nigh impossible to write, at least the way I envision it. I'm the kind of person for whom Planescape Torment was written, I like that kind of complex involved, and I'll admit in that case, somewhat sick, world in my games. That's why I'm wary about Jedi Knight II. I'm not really into the annihilate everything in your path with the big guns/your really bad vorpal sword kind of game.

To some extent Phantom Menace was a disappointment, but what I did like was a view of what the Old Republic was like. And it was the move that got me into Star Wars--I was around when the original trilogy came out, but I was only about three when ANH first came out so I wasn't really into it then.
Even now, I'm more fascinated with the Jedi Order than I am with the star pilot kind of thing. I'm going to stick my neck out and say I like Qui-Gon, although that may be somewhat of a girl thing, although Lucas didn't use him effectively and he definitely shouldn't have killed him IMHO. Supposedly the reason why Maul finally beat him was because Qui-Gon was old and didn't have the stamina--in the novelization he's supposed to be about 60, naturally they had to modify the age for the movie to fit more closely with the age of the actor--but as someone pointed out, age isn't that much of a handicap for a skilled swordsman, plus he has the force, and as any fencer would tell you, this game is a lot more mental than it appears. If he were the best sabreur in the academy you'd think he'd know that he just had to defend himself until Maul acted like a typical young hothead, and a Sith hothead at that, and made a rash move, then nail him, or maybe he was cocky from being the proclaimed best sabreur. Sorry I admit I could go on about this character and others for far much longer than anyone would want to listen. Being an amateur writer I know I read more into characters than is necessarily there. Even with extremely bad characterizations I start imagining what I'd do with the character if they were mine, so I tend to enjoy even really awful movies, which Phantom Menace wasn't although it also wasn't that fabulous--when I say bad I'm talking Ishtar, Weekend at Bernie's bad here--okay, not Weekend at Bernie's, but you get the picture. <img src="graemlins/blah.gif" border="0" alt="[Blah]" />

BTW I think there's a scene in ESB where Luke lunges, but doesn't actually do a recover. He just sort of scoots a long in that position. I guess they didn't get around to teaching him the recovery.

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Oh yeah, that would be awesome if they made a few star-wars games into really detailed RPG's... Not so detailed like Torment, or Bauldurs Gate... but more like Diablo/Diablo II, or Dunegon Siege. It'd be even better if you could play any character from the star-wars series, or even make your own from scratch... If they used the force, they'd be a jedi, if they used a blaster, they'd be a warrior, etc.

GreyGhost · 05-09-2002, 02:40 AM

[quote]Originally posted by The Crazy Wacker:


Oh yeah, that would be awesome if they made a few star-wars games into really detailed RPG's... Not so detailed like Torment, or Bauldurs Gate... but more like Diablo/Diablo II, or Dunegon Siege. It'd be even better if you could play any character from the star-wars series, or even make your own from scratch... If they used the force, they'd be a jedi, if they used a blaster, they'd be a warrior, etc.<hr></blockquote>

I understand they are working on two. One is one of those ultima online/everyquest kinds of things, and the other is called "Knights of the Old Republic."

Masterfulks · 05-09-2002, 05:53 AM

I think the name of the Jedi Temple place is.....Yavin.....Or so i remember.

GreyGhost · 05-09-2002, 07:04 AM

It's at the Yavin base in the Kyle Katarn games, maybe not the books.

RDwyer · 05-09-2002, 09:53 AM

[quote]Originally posted by GreyGhost:


I understand they are working on two. One is one of those ultima online/everyquest kinds of things, and the other is called "Knights of the Old Republic."<hr></blockquote>

Have a look at this for the "UO/EQ" type game...

<a href="http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/" target="_blank">Star Wars Galaxies MMORPG game</a>

Rick.

achilleus · 05-09-2002, 10:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by nahouw:
The activity in the Star Wars series is not fencing, but it is rather martial arts. <hr></blockquote>

The fight coordinator for Episode 1 was quoted as saying that he used olympic fencing (specifcally epee) for the basis on the lightsaber 'style'. Course he followed up that quote with 'epee has basically 6-8 positions, so i created 4-6 to bring the total up 12. This is Star Wars you have to think big.'

I read that qoute, before Episode 1, in Entertainment Weekly.

I hope it brings home the point that although the movies are great, the lightsaber scenes are still part of a movie. They may have roots in both fencing and martial arts, but the scenes are pure fantasy for entertainment.

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Masterfulks · 05-09-2002, 04:36 PM

[quote]Originally posted by GreyGhost:
It's at the Yavin base in the Kyle Katarn games, maybe not the books.<hr></blockquote>

I've read a bunch of the books but that was a few years ago. However I would bet a small sum of money that its Yavin in both the game and the books......I actually want to call it Yavin4 but I dont know if thats right.

D'Artagnan1673 · 05-12-2002, 10:37 PM

I've been rewatching the movies in preparation for Ep II. I really do not think them to be that bad.

I was actually enjoying the lighsabre duels tonight

KC · 05-13-2002, 06:54 AM

To clear up a few things about light sabers... The blades are energy and therefore have no weight. They move as quickly with slash or thrust.

This is also why only Jedi could wield them. They could sence where the blade was and as a result the self inflicted injuries were few.

Non-force sensitive lifeforms could wield a light sabre but would eventully cut off an appentage or kill themselves... Try swinging a flashlight around and see how many times the light actually hits you.

Also not every light sabre had the ability to lengthen the blade. Very few of them did infact have this. It was concidered to be excessive and this is not a Jedi quality. However many other force sensitive groups that didn't have the Jedi code would be willing to use it.

GreyGhost · 05-13-2002, 03:56 PM

[quote]Originally posted by KC:
To clear up a few things about light sabers... The blades are energy and therefore have no weight. They move as quickly with slash or thrust. <hr></blockquote>

No, thrusts are ALWAYS faster. Not simply because of weight, but because of geometery.

D'Artagnan1673 · 05-13-2002, 08:53 PM

For the past three nights, I've watched one of the original trilogy movies. My rankings are as follows:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope

3. Return of the Jeid

4. The Phantom Menace

I see dead people · 05-14-2002, 11:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by GreyGhost:


No, thrusts are ALWAYS faster. Not simply because of weight, but because of geometery.<hr></blockquote>

Not true. Slash is generally faster.

The shortest path is not always the same thing as the fastest path.

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Pa55w0rd · 05-15-2002, 02:38 AM

Non-force sensitive lifeforms could wield a light sabre but would eventully cut off an appentage or kill themselves... Try swinging a flashlight around and see how many times the light actually hits you.

hmmm isnt it more of a case of when was the last time you hit yourself with your foil/epee/sabre ?

Cyranox11 · 05-15-2002, 03:56 AM

Are you saying that 'The pointy end goes in the other guy.' Is insufficient theoretical training for a light sabre duel?

KC · 05-15-2002, 06:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Pa55w0rd:

hmmm isnt it more of a case of when was the last time you hit yourself with your foil/epee/sabre ?<hr></blockquote>

We were discussing the issue of light sabres. I was merely explaining the therory of the books as to why no one other than force using lifeforms could use a light sabre...

To be honest I have hit myself with my sabre on more than one occasion. Of course with a blade of energy that could have been a very bad day.

Pa55w0rd · 05-16-2002, 12:53 AM

I know exactly KC, i'd already be half way to darth vader by now..

quick question :
darth maul darth sidious darth vader that darth tyrannasour ??

what is darth ?? (some title like lord ??)
comments welcome

"The Force is strong in this one." - Darth Andy

KC · 05-16-2002, 06:04 AM

In the books its a title for a Lord of the Sith (Vader, Maul, Sidious) I believe it translates here as "dark" It was my understanding that Darth Vader translated into Dark Father.