06-22-2006, 10:06 AM
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#1 | | Member
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| Knee touching the ground
I have noticed that my knee will hit the ground occaisionally when i lunge. What are the legalities on this? For instance, refereing back to this post on "ducking" if this guy had ducked but instead of being on both feet in a squat position he had one knee on the ground, would that be legal? | 
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06-22-2006, 10:08 AM
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#2 | | The Judge
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| you're allowed to tripod (have 3 points of contact to the ground). this could be a knee and two feet, or a hand and two feet, or whatever. once it hits 4, thats a halt.
it also could depend on how disorderly the situation is. if it looks like you're not in control of your descent to the ground, refs will halt the action. | |
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06-22-2006, 10:12 AM
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#3 | | Member
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| ok so if i lost balance in one of those lunges with a knee on the ground and put my hand on the ground it would be called, but 3 points are allowed | |
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06-22-2006, 10:18 AM
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#4 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by pinkandgeek ok so if i lost balance in one of those lunges with a knee on the ground and put my hand on the ground it would be called, but 3 points are allowed | yep. good chance you'd get carded for it, too, depending on the ref (seen cards thrown for exactly this). disorderly fencing, have to keep that attack under control. | |
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06-22-2006, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle you're allowed to tripod (have 3 points of contact to the ground). this could be a knee and two feet, or a hand and two feet, or whatever. once it hits 4, thats a halt.
it also could depend on how disorderly the situation is. if it looks like you're not in control of your descent to the ground, refs will halt the action. |
care to cite a rule or a letter? | |
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06-22-2006, 12:19 PM
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#6 | | The Judge
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| i'm having trouble finding the generic rule, not even sure if there is one, but here's this: Quote: |
Originally Posted by t.21 Displacing the target and ducking are allowed even if during the
action the unarmed hand comes into contact with the strip. | Quote: |
Originally Posted by t.87 All irregular actions (flèche attack which finishes with a
collision jostling the opponent, disorderly fencing, irregular
movements on the strip, touches achieved with violence, touches
made while falling) are strictly forbidden | | |
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06-22-2006, 12:27 PM
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| While it's not illegal to drag your knee, it is potentially harmful to you in the long run, physiologically. Keeping your foot well planted takes the weight while in a normal lunge. When you roll your foot and drag your knee, you begin putting lateral torsion on your back knee, as a lot of your weight gets displaced to your knee. Not terribly great for you in the long run. | |
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06-22-2006, 12:35 PM
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| Also, Noodle, you have a link to those rules? I wasn't aware touches scored while falling were disallowed. | |
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06-22-2006, 12:37 PM
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06-22-2006, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by seven6ty Also, Noodle, you have a link to those rules? I wasn't aware touches scored while falling were disallowed. | Yes. That's a newish rule. You can always grab the current USFA rule book from http://fencingofficials.org. It's linked up there at the top left. | |
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06-22-2006, 02:17 PM
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#11 | | Scrub
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Originally Posted by seven6ty Also, Noodle, you have a link to those rules? I wasn't aware touches scored while falling were disallowed. | Touch annulled AND a yellow card. | |
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06-22-2006, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by seven6ty Also, Noodle, you have a link to those rules? I wasn't aware touches scored while falling were disallowed. | You cant get a touch if as part of the same action you're also performing a cardable offense.
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06-22-2006, 09:10 PM
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#13 | | Senior Member
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| Uh-oh, Here we go again......
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Also, Noodle, you have a link to those rules? I wasn't aware touches scored while falling were disallowed.
| He gave you the rules reference up there a few posts. t.87: "... touches
made while falling) are strictly forbidden..." Quote: |
You cant get a touch if as part of the same action you're also performing a cardable offense
| True, but it's worth noting that when you hit & fall, you need not get a card for the fall in order to get the touch annulled. The fall, card or no card, annuls the touch. Quote: |
Yes. That's a newish rule. You can always grab the current USFA rule book from http://fencingofficials.org. It's linked up there at the top left
| Actually, it's a really old rule that used to go right along with another rule (no longer in effect) that you get a card for any fall under any circumstance. Now you can fall, but you still can't hit while doing so. Sounds kinda weird, but it's true.
Clear as mud? I'm sure.... 
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