06-21-2006, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK DESMET |
All letters have to be the same size.
Thats not a rule, but a directive. | 
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06-21-2006, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by peet Yeah, that one's great, but I'd submit this one for the running for that title too. 
-p | If she didn't get the touch, then it looks like she kicks the guy in the stomach. Which would result in a red card, right?
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06-21-2006, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Depending on the landing, Red Card? | Probably not. It must have happened long after the halt for his socks falling down.  | 
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06-21-2006, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by epeeisky If she didn't get the touch, then it looks like she kicks the guy in the stomach. Which would result in a red card, right? | not necessarily.
It depends. You can't tell anything from that photo. | |
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06-21-2006, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by epeeisky If she didn't get the touch, then it looks like she kicks the guy in the stomach. Which would result in a red card, right? | a) It's a he. Ariel DeSmet, #2 in the nation for Cadet Men's Foil.
b) I'm pretty sure he didn't kick the guy (Gerek Meinhardt, #1 in CMF) in the stomach. Ariel does that on a regular basis in practice with no feet ever touching anyone but the floor. And no, he wasn't carded for anything. I think the idea was that he has the legs fly out in the jump and retracts them in the landing. | |
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06-21-2006, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen It should say "DE SMET", not "DeSMET" or "DESMET".
Not to be nitpicking, but there's a rule against lower case letters but no rule against adding a space between letters.
And I will not let myself be drawn into a rules discussion. I'm sorry I brought this up, now please enjoy the excellent photos instead!
(I certainly did, even though it was 'only' foil.  ) | DeSMET was on his lame in the Senior World Cup in Vancouver, as well, presumably, as the Cadet World Championships, in which he took top 8 without anybody getting mad at him. Not to nitpick, but no one cares. | |
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06-21-2006, 02:37 PM
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06-21-2006, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by peet Yeah, that one's great, but I'd submit this one for the running for that title too.
-p | Yeah, didnt see that one... good shot indeed.
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06-22-2006, 10:59 AM
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06-22-2006, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pinkandgeek | Pic #1 is a classic move (and beautifully executed, BTW), now that reversing the shoulders is legal (almost expect a dagger reversed in the left hand eviserating the opponent!). And if you think Pic #2 is more like dancing, you haven't been involved in much in-fighting, have you?
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06-22-2006, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mergs Pic #1 is a classic move (and beautifully executed, BTW), now that reversing the shoulders is legal (almost expect a dagger reversed in the left hand eviserating the opponent!). And if you think Pic #2 is more like dancing, you haven't been involved in much in-fighting, have you? |
picture 1 is a yellow card to the fencer on the right. | |
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06-22-2006, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by downunder picture 1 is a yellow card to the fencer on the right. | For covering target? If so: Yeah, well, maybe. If you're calling it strictly. I don't believe he got one at the time, though, it being just a local event. | |
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06-22-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by eac For covering target? If so: Yeah, well, maybe. If you're calling it strictly. I don't believe he got one at the time, though, it being just a local event. | I dont know about covering target, since that arm HAS to be somewhere. You could say turning the back however, since it looks like the opponent has a clear view of the name on his back.
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06-22-2006, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by downunder picture 1 is a yellow card to the fencer on the right. | Disagree. Just because you can see the name of the opponent on the back doesn't constitute turning the back. He is still 90 degrees to his opponent (or close enough). If he would have turned slightly more, I might argue that you were correct. But not in this instance. Besides, from the picture you can't tell the position of the body when the touch was made, i.e. if it was made before the picture was made, and his momentum carried him further (a strong possibility), then no card, as the action stops when the touch was made. Any infraction after a halt, or action that would cause a halt, is not cardable. Well, except for a right cross to the jaw, then that would elicit the appropriate card response!
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06-22-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mergs Disagree. Just because you can see the name of the opponent on the back doesn't constitute turning the back. He is still 90 degrees to his opponent (or close enough). If he would have turned slightly more, I might argue that you were correct. But not in this instance. Besides, from the picture you can't tell the position of the body when the touch was made, i.e. if it was made before the picture was made, and his momentum carried him further (a strong possibility), then no card, as the action stops when the touch was made. Any infraction after a halt, or action that would cause a halt, is not cardable. Well, except for a right cross to the jaw, then that would elicit the appropriate card response! | I agree that it can be tricky trying to correctly judge angles, but to me it seems pretty clear that there's a direct line from the fencer on the lefts eyes to the fencer on the rights exposed back.
You are incorrect, however, about when the touch was scored. It was scored exactly when the photo was taken (or at least within a very small fraction of a second).
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06-22-2006, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OROD I dont know about covering target, since that arm HAS to be somewhere. You could say turning the back however, since it looks like the opponent has a clear view of the name on his back.
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06-22-2006, 07:38 PM
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| What I've been told is you are supposed to raise your arm out of the way in instances like that. That is when your off weapon shoulder is pointed at your opponent like that you need to have your arm up so as not to be blocking target...
Can anyone confirm this?
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06-22-2006, 08:53 PM
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| Yes. When the shoulders are reversed, the off weapon arm must be kept clear of the target area, and it has always been interpreted in my experience as "pretty clear". | |
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06-23-2006, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mergs And if you think Pic #2 is more like dancing, you haven't been involved in much in-fighting, have you? | not as much as i'd like, however i was just making light of the fact that sometimes we end up in bizarre positions. i am glad that someone has such nice pictures of those positions | |
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06-23-2006, 02:25 AM
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