Snide remarks after bout

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by HDG

Snide remarks after bout {snip}
Has anybody else gotten (or given) this kind of behavior? I'd like to believe that it would be punished if the ref heard.

Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken!

Yeah, its happened to me.

Get over it.

Hmmm..... Based on your respone, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say--you're in the "given" part of the answer.....

--Philistine

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by seven6ty

I had to remove the guy from the tournament.

The referee should have taken care of that for you...

-B

[seven6ty]

Well, let's just say I beat him to the punch on that one.

[I_luv_saber]

In practice bouts, I mention if someone is hitting too hard. At a comp, however, I find this only worsens the situation many times, so I just soundly beat them. No screams, not much emotion, just quick and light touches. Then smile at the end and shake hands. Drives 'em crazy. I hate when people do heavy hits, with the flat especially... usually they're so damned slow, though, I can almost always counter-attack. I could attack in preperation most times, but sometimes taking the hit just isn't worth it.
EDIT: hehe, oh right, snide remarks! Been lucky enough to encounter very few. Though a couple HAVE crossed my path...

[HDG]

To clarify my original post, if I had landed a hard hit, or something with the blade rather than the tip (this was foil), I would fully expect to be taken deservedly to task, and I would apologize. This was more along the lines of "you beat me 5-0 because you were fencing wrong."

[KD5MDK]

I thought the fencer beat you to the bell punch?

[Zelda]

Thankfully snide remarks (in WF here at least in Oz) dont seem to exsist. I think its because its such a small community....but then again I dont compete with the big guns due to location so I might be MISSING it all. Oh the pathos!

[bunbury]

Originally Posted by grotto

Another reason I tell my fencers to always shake hands with the off hand.....

Eh, aren't you suposed to always shake with the off hand?

[T. Mock]

In every sport there are always going to be the sore losers who don't have anything nice to say after a bout. I always try to be cordial after a bout and usually end up talking with my opponent for awhile. However, everyone has losses (or even wins) where it was very physically and emotionally draining and that cordialness is at best merely a half-hearted adherence to the rules of shaking hands or at worst the snide remarks that have been described. I know that I myself (and I would bet just about everyone else) has been guilty of not being a great sport after a bout. And those times it is better to just give a half hearted handshake than start the next brawl. It is important though to make the effort after you have regained your composure to go say a few words to your previous opponent. It's so easy to just go up and say "Hey- sorry I was sulky after the bout. That was a really great challenge" or whatever and you'll be surprised how much it means to that fencer. A lot of the snide remarks that hurt people can be avoided by merely stepping back and taking a deep breath.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!


This has happened to me, and at the time I did not provoke it at all.
How do you deal with heavy hitters and snide remarkers if they are winning over you?

Say, an opponent who hits hard/nasty in addition to his well executed points, and is such a better fencer than you so that he wins? Furthermore, they guy who says snide remarks to you after winning over you?

Bugged the hell out of me.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[kalivor]

Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson

Say, an opponent who hits hard/nasty in addition to his well executed points, and is such a better fencer than you so that he wins? Furthermore, they guy who says snide remarks to you after winning over you?

Smile at them.

Possibly say. "You're brutal, in that your hits are overly violent. When you run into someone better than you, they're going to embarass you because of it."

This will have no impact on them, but later in the day (or at the next tournament) when the embarassment occurs, hopefully they'll remember why it happened.

As far as these incidents are concerned, I've seen it happen twice (once to me, once to my girlfriend), both times being ridiculous things said by a soundly defeated opponent.

[erooMynohtnA]

Originally Posted by kalivor

Smile at them.

Possibly say. "You're brutal, in that your hits are overly violent. When you run into someone better than you, they're going to embarass you because of it."

This will have no impact on them, but later in the day (or at the next tournament) when the embarassment occurs, hopefully they'll remember why it happened.

As far as these incidents are concerned, I've seen it happen twice (once to me, once to my girlfriend), both times being ridiculous things said by a soundly defeated opponent.

If you thought it was ridiculous when said to you, why do you think a legitimately hard hitter would think it was anything but ridiculous?

If someone came up to me after a 5-0 bout I won and said "You hit hard, and I hate you, and you're going to lose later because you really suck." I would just blow it off and think nothing of it. When I lost later than day, I wouldn't give what that person said a second thought, unless they were actively taunting me afterwords.

Maybe I'm shortsighted because of it, but I rarely take heed of things said by people I just spanked.

But to PeterGustafsson: I recommend a half brick in a sock.

[Peach]

I think we should come up with better snide remarks after bouts, rather than decrying them altogether. "I compliment you on the remarkable originality and technical serendipity of your actions," for instance.

[Fencergrl]

Some of you seem to indicate that making snide remarks is okay if someone "deserves it".

I disagree. Having good sportsmanship is about your own behaviour. We have no control over the bad sportsmanship of others, so why discuss ways to be “more snide”?

Either you are a good sport or you’re not. If you choose to be snide back, you are no better/ different than poor sport you just fenced.

[oiuyt]

I think we should keep the snide comments here on f.net and let our fencing do our talking on strip. :)

-B

[poor_nizzie]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

I think we should keep the snide comments here on f.net and let our fencing do our talking on strip.

I concur.
After I fence Peach in July and August and get my hiney kicked both times, I'll have many an insult set aside for myself.

I've never made snide comments toward my opponents -- most of the time I'm the one making the errors.

[cmedalis]

The only time I can recall being overtly snide to my opponent is after fencing a very inexperienced, very large, competitor... the bruising still makes me cringe to think about it, my remarks to him after the bout were :
"You have a very strong hand....."

Then I limped away and wimpered like a beated up puppy dog. I think getting hit with rebar would have been less painful...

[Peach]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

I think we should keep the snide comments here on f.net and let our fencing do our talking on strip.

-B

Sigh--I need to go back to using more smileys--and explaining myself more. I was thinking of the approach of Judith Martin (aka Miss Manners), who had any number of gracious--and imperceptibly reproving--responses to the rude remarks made by others.

. . . and I ruefully demur about any hiney-kicking, as I am all too aware that I am getting older and slower and most of my opponents do not consent to stop improving

[sabreur]

Originally Posted by Peach

I think we should come up with better snide remarks after bouts, rather than decrying them altogether. "I compliment you on the remarkable originality and technical serendipity of your actions," for instance.

I have vague memories of a kung fu movie in which a beginner repeatedly attacks a master, then compliments him on his defense, and the master replies with comments like, "You are to be congratulated for the fact that you have survived until now...."

[Fencergrl]

Originally Posted by Peach

Sigh--I need to go back to using more smileys--and explaining myself more. I was thinking of the approach of Judith Martin (aka Miss Manners), who had any number of gracious--and imperceptibly reproving--responses to the rude remarks made by others.

No need... as discussed my post was not personal, your post happened to be above it. I amended it so no one else misunderstands what I was trying to say.