06-12-2006, 04:31 PM
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| Fencing.net equipment Sabre blades
I love the website, but I was wonder if the sabre blade on it are good. I have been looking at:
Absolute Elite Gold Ultra S2000 Sabre Blade
Paul France Sabre Blade
So are they good?
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06-12-2006, 04:56 PM
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#2 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| Most sabre blades are about the same, with as much variation between blades in a line as between lines. IOW, it usually doesn't matter. I much prefer y-shaped blades, and I've seen some beautifully balanced LM "Westbrook" ones, but that's about it as far as specialties go. | 
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06-12-2006, 11:20 PM
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#3 | | Admin
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| The StM blades are very popular. The standard StM are about $21 and have a decent balance. The gold ones add a little flair.
The Paul France feel a bit stiffer but have good balance to them.
The Poz Pro blades feel great when put together with the LP heavy pommel, otherwise they feel a little tip heavy to me. Peach has a sabre made up with a Poz Pro so if she reads this maybe she can share her thoughts now that she's had it for a while.
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Originally Posted by kammy I love the website, but I was wonder if the sabre blade on it are good. I have been looking at:
Absolute Elite Gold Ultra S2000 Sabre Blade
Paul France Sabre Blade
So are they good? | | |
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06-13-2006, 02:18 AM
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#4 | | Have Blazer, Will Travel
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| Out of curosity, has anybody put a heavy pommel on an StM blade? | |
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06-13-2006, 04:01 AM
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#5 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Not a LP one, but I have one sabre with a Triplette heavy pommel which I have insulated using Shoe Goo. It's in a Santelli steel Olympic guard, so the weapon has a good deal of mass overall. I seldom use it any more, unless I encounter someone who likes to hit hard...
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06-13-2006, 04:42 AM
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| The question is in a tournament situation if you have a heavy duty blade is it worth having your blade confiscated to avoid some injury to your hand by switching to a somewehat heavier blade?
I'm an StM fan myself. | |
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06-13-2006, 05:31 AM
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#7 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Which is why you want to suss out an opponent by watching him fence someone else whenever possible. Then start with the right weapon rather than having to think about switching.
Always assuming the ref will permit a change, that is.
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06-13-2006, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Which is why you want to suss out an opponent by watching him fence someone else whenever possible. Then start with the right weapon rather than having to think about switching.
Always assuming the ref will permit a change, that is. |
at any major competition the referee will always permit a change, and the Bout Committee should enforce this. | |
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06-13-2006, 07:44 AM
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#9 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Why should the BC "enforce" nonrules? 
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06-13-2006, 09:02 AM
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| bye. I'm out. I'm not starting this.
I'm just saying what will happen. I don't mind if you disagree. I don't mind if you think i'm wrong. | |
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06-13-2006, 09:13 AM
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| speaking of non-rules:
I can't find any reference at all to requesting to change weapons... | |
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06-13-2006, 09:38 AM
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#12 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by downunder bye. I'm out. I'm not starting this.
I'm just saying what will happen. I don't mind if you disagree. I don't mind if you think i'm wrong. |
It won't, and I do, because you are. 
Admittedly, I have only done this once, during the minute break of a DE. Request was denied, because there was no functional problem with the weapon, I just wanted to use another with a different feel.
One data point does not of course make for statistical validity, but in my experience it is a 100% negative outcome. 
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06-13-2006, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by downunder speaking of non-rules:
I can't find any reference at all to requesting to change weapons... | Which means that it's at the discretion of the...say it with me now...
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06-13-2006, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Which means that it's at the discretion of the...say it with me now... | Why should the BC "enforce" nonrules? | |
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06-13-2006, 09:03 PM
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#15 | | Yes We Can
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Originally Posted by Inquartata It won't, and I do, because you are.
Admittedly, I have only done this once, during the minute break of a DE. Request was denied, because there was no functional problem with the weapon, I just wanted to use another with a different feel.
One data point does not of course make for statistical validity, but in my experience it is a 100% negative outcome. | I've changed my weapons a lot with no functional problem just because I didn't like the feel. Admittedly, this was at po-dunk tournaments. I find the best way to ask is "my weapon keeps coming loose, can I switch?"
Also, to Kammy, I've used the LP France, and I liked it. It feels like an StM although a skosh heavier, slightly stiffer in the forte and middle, and more flexible at the foible. My friend who fences saber exclusively likes it a lot. | |
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06-13-2006, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Which means that it's at the discretion of the...say it with me now... |
In fairness to Inq, he is absolutely right (at least in the US although I've occasionally seen it internationally too). If you don't have a reason that you're changing your weapon and you're just doing it b/c you think you might have one with a better set contact spring or a better feel it shouldn't be allowed. The caveat emptor for this one though is that most refs will ask you something along the lines of:
"Do you have reason to believe this weapon is not working reliably?"
Or some other such thing. As long as you're not an idiot (i.e. your response is yes) then you'll be allowed to change it. There are, however, those that really still don't get it. Say you think it might loose, or you can feel something shaking or wiggling, or you think it's intermittent something, even if it's a french grip covered from top to bottom in tape.
Edit: This is usually applied under the premise that it's a stalling tactic and thus delay of bout is generally cited, although there's some leeway to cite other rules to legitimate the enforcement of this policy as well.
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06-14-2006, 04:29 AM
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#17 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Right...the rule being enforced ( by the ref, not the BC ) is actually the one concerning delay of bout, I would hazard. Especially with foil and epee, where he now has to test the new weapon with weight and shim; in sabre he really only has to check that it's an S2000, if that.
I suspect that there's more to it, actually---that there is some other rule-based justification that I am not able to find in the rule book...
The ref I encountered in this regard was I believe rated 3 in sabre and 2 in foil, and so should have had a much better working knowledge of the rules than I.
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06-14-2006, 04:30 AM
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| But again you're just promoting non-rules as i was accused of.
You can change your weapon whenever you like for whatever reason. I'm not going to stop you, and any good referee is not going to stop you. Its just silly. Quote: |
Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 In fairness to Inq, he is absolutely right (at least in the US although I've occasionally seen it internationally too). If you don't have a reason that you're changing your weapon and you're just doing it b/c you think you might have one with a better set contact spring or a better feel it shouldn't be allowed. The caveat emptor for this one though is that most refs will ask you something along the lines of:
"Do you have reason to believe this weapon is not working reliably?"
Or some other such thing. As long as you're not an idiot (i.e. your response is yes) then you'll be allowed to change it. There are, however, those that really still don't get it. Say you think it might loose, or you can feel something shaking or wiggling, or you think it's intermittent something, even if it's a french grip covered from top to bottom in tape.
Edit: This is usually applied under the premise that it's a stalling tactic and thus delay of bout is generally cited, although there's some leeway to cite other rules to legitimate the enforcement of this policy as well. | | |
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06-14-2006, 04:34 AM
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#19 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| And apparently "good referee" means, to Downunder, "any referee who does as I think is correct"...
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06-14-2006, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata And apparently "good referee" means, to Downunder, "any referee who does as I think is correct"... |
I learn from much better referees than myself.
This is the wrong place for this. Check out my thread in General Discussion. | |
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