06-06-2006, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Monash_Armourer At no point did I ever say that hackers with malevolent intent should not be prosecuted. The point is hacking is more often a crime of opportunity, than a targeted attack. | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Monash_Armourer Instead of being annoyed with the moral-less kiddies | Sorry, but I feel fully justified in "being annoyed" with the moral-less kiddies -- and the demonstration of that annoyance to the fullest extent of the law.
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06-06-2006, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Inq's almost right. "Teenager" as a word dates back to 1941.
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06-06-2006, 04:32 AM
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| Isn't that pic of the guy that wrote "By the Sword"...?
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06-06-2006, 04:59 AM
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| Post #4 says it is, and says his last name is Cohen. | |
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06-06-2006, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK Ah, I meant he was mesoros | If I were Soros I'd be relaxing in Tahiti with a bevy of starlets and models, instead of posting here. 
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06-06-2006, 01:17 PM
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| Monash: Actually, a hacker, by definition, is someone who writes code to alter the functionality of an existing program. There are many malicious hackers out there who exploit holes in systems, but there are many more who work in computer security divisions, and others who have nothing to do with networks at all; they simply write patches for existing programs. Writing an update for Windows XP which fixes whatever error by patching over a bad spot of code is a hack.
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06-06-2006, 02:24 PM
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| Eric S. Raymond's (obviously another good example of a hacker) definition of Hacker. I'd like to highlight entries 6 & 7, which extend the definition beyond code and computer contexts, although clearly the default assumption is still code-related.
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06-06-2006, 02:50 PM
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| I thought it required being mentally in tune with RMS and having participated in the creation of LISP... | |
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06-06-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KD5MDK I thought it required being mentally in tune with RMS | If that were true I would fear for the species...
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06-06-2006, 03:30 PM
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| Of Hackers? I already do. | |
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12-24-2007, 10:32 PM
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| Well, I think this thread needs a little more discussion. Go! | |
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12-25-2007, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by cornflower  Well, I think this thread needs a little more discussion. Go! | I didn't even look at the time stamp until this guy showed up... | |
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12-25-2007, 07:49 PM
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| If one is to pose, one must feel the position and consider the movement to crackers, otherwise perhaps 'you don't know Jack'.
It is felt important to talk about your box, in this context.
Halon gas ought to be registered.
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12-26-2007, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Uh...because hackers are so admirable? Because their stupidity is worthy of emulation by the masses? They are somehow to be admired and followed? 
Sometimes I despair of young people. Their gullibility seems to know no bounds... | You may despair and tisk, but I have your login password, so I win.
ACK! I've been zombied!
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12-26-2007, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bunbury I didn't even look at the time stamp until this guy showed up... | | |
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12-26-2007, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by keropie Leet speak is dumb | Probably no dumber than the Pig Latin my generation spoke when we were young.
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12-26-2007, 06:49 PM
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| would anyone here know what I said if I mentioned the difference between hackers and crackers?
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12-26-2007, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Timo would anyone here know what I said if I mentioned the difference between hackers and crackers? | Yes.
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12-26-2007, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Timo would anyone here know what I said if I mentioned the difference between hackers and crackers? | Male Polish sabreurs and female Polish foilists? | |
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12-26-2007, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RITFencing Monash: Actually, a hacker, by definition, is someone who writes code to alter the functionality of an existing program. There are many malicious hackers out there who exploit holes in systems, but there are many more who work in computer security divisions, and others who have nothing to do with networks at all; they simply write patches for existing programs. Writing an update for Windows XP which fixes whatever error by patching over a bad spot of code is a hack. | I would also venture that a very minor percentage of real hackers use l33tspeak (except perhaps on certain bulletin boards where they are trying to avoid mod-bots) but almost all script kiddies use it.
The definition my coding friends usually use for a "hack" is that its haphazard, pieced together code that really isn't the best way something should have been written. But, the code works. Kinda like the really ugly fencing some people do which is effective to a certain level, but not how it *should* be done.
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Ugh... this is what I get for going on vacation and not logging in... and then someone resurrects a dead thread and I don't even notice the time stamp.
Sigh.
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Reason: Apologizing for continuing a dead thread
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