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Supermom · 05-25-2006, 02:01 PM

I heard a rumor that the US may adopt different colors/design for FIE competitions next season. Does anyone know anything about this?

KD5MDK · 05-25-2006, 04:36 PM

Given that Marx owns the copyright for the current logo, it wouldn't surprise me if the change is made, but I'm certainly not in a position to know anything definite.

seven6ty · 05-25-2006, 04:44 PM

God I sure hope so. IMO, the current designs are butt funkin ugly. Thankfully I don't have the cash to go to the Vancouver WC this year and don't have to worry about putting those abominations on my knickers...

Heh, may sound harsh, but I just really hate the linear and pointy look of them, I'd much rather wear something nice and smoothy and curvy. Something like the guy on the right here:

http://www.escrime-info.com/modules/...lbum=18&pos=17

afc fencer · 05-25-2006, 05:02 PM

I hope not..... I don't want new knickers.

twisterfencing · 05-27-2006, 02:46 AM

In my opinion, they are going to have to do something, don't know what, yet will have to do something.

In Korea several month back, one of the kids showed up without the logo on his knickers. According to the FIE rule, the entire team must match. OK, how? Well, the Armourer that went over there with the team took patches of the logo with him. He had parents sewing them on the knickers for the kids that were going to fence that next day.

Yes, sewed them on. Sounds wierd? Sewing a patch of a logo on top of a painted on logo? Rule: They all have to match. One sewn on, they all have to be sewn on. The entire team!

One company to own the logo for the US fecning team is not a good thing. Good for the vendor, bad for the all else.

The USFA is most likely going to come up with a new logo for the USA and give it to all vendors with the understanding that it can and will be used by all. Not singlly owned by one. Can be sure of one thing, the colors will be red, white and blue.

Gary Spruill

DHCJr · 05-27-2006, 11:21 AM

The sewing on of a patch would not be a problem. The logo is painted on the patch so the logos all match.

Let us look at this. Someone has a bad spot on their lame, so they sew a patch on their lame'. Does that mean everyone has to sew on a patch in the same place on their perfectly good lame'. I don't think so.

It is SOP for the Armorer to carry a few patches of the painted on logo, of course obtained from Marx Enterprise.

I suggested the Armorer for the Jr/Cadet team be picked before the J.O.'s and go to the J.O's to check that the equipment the fencers will have will be legal or have someone knowledgeble check all the equipment.

I don't believe that was done. I would like to know what communication went to the fencers.

twisterfencing · 05-27-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

The sewing on of a patch would not be a problem. The logo is painted on the patch so the logos all match.

Let us look at this. Someone has a bad spot on their lame, so they sew a patch on their lame'. Does that mean everyone has to sew on a patch in the same place on their perfectly good lame'. I don't think so..

Donald,

Sewing on a patch: this was not an example, this is what happened. The rule they applied was: Country Logo's on the knickers must match exactly on the entire team. If one had to be patched, all had to be patched. They had to be exactly the same in every way in regards to the counrty logo.

Lame issue above:

Does that mean everyone has to sew on a patch in the same place on their perfectly good lame'.

No Donald? This has nothing to do with the rule of the country logo on the knickers.

Gary Spruill

DHCJr · 05-27-2006, 04:05 PM

The logos I hope were identical. It does not say how the logos are attached to the leg, only that the logos be identical.

The lame' is part of the National uniform and there can only be one National uniform.

If the rule was interpreted that way, how did the team fence?

qatet · 05-27-2006, 06:09 PM

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If the rule was interpreted that way, how did the team fence?

The team mothers stayed up until all hours sewing the patches onto everybody's knickers. I had wondered why there were tales of this impromptu sewing bee, and figured that it had something to do with expecting to get uniforms from Duellist with the proper colors on them, but this makes more sense.

On a moderately similar note, my coach came back from the meet telling the tale of Roch and the Too-Light Name. Apparently Roch saw that the name on somebody's back was wearing off and informed the referee that he should check the name and card the kid. The referee walks over to the first fencer and checks his equipment, turns the kid around, and immediately cards him. Roch, over in the stands, starts waving his arms and looking upset - he meant the _other_ kid. Ref checks the other kid, and issues another card. Score starts at 1-1. What stupidity.

DHCJr · 05-27-2006, 08:29 PM

Which also seems strange. They usually have only 2 or 3 spares. We are talking at least 6 or 8 for and alternate. Or did they need at least 18, because the rule says there can be only one National uniform, so all other teams would need them sewed on.

Was this for the Individual or Team? It should have been done from the first day of Individual.

twisterfencing · 05-27-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by qatet

On a moderately similar note, my coach came back from the meet telling the tale of Roch and the Too-Light Name. .

qatet:

Just a side note. The man you are talking about, his name is Rocky.

Gary Spruill

NNR · 05-27-2006, 09:15 PM

The equipment for the team was truly screwed up by Duelist, especially for the kids that were in the early part of the event. My daughter's uniform was sent with one of the coaches, and reached her after she arrived, the day before. Her weapons were ruled illegal, b/c the manufacturer had not paid their FIE dues, and even though all the stamps were submitted to the USFA in a timely manner, we were not informed of this until Saturday when she was fencing on Sunday and four new blades were bought. Kids were not given specific information on the team "matching" exactly...maybe next year things will be made clearer earlier! Luckily, team in Korea was able to work out all the problems and kids fenced superbly!

KD5MDK · 05-27-2006, 09:29 PM

Ok, what company didn't pay their FIE dues?

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The lame' is part of the National uniform and there can only be one National uniform.

If you apply that to be literally the case, so much that all the fencers on all weapons must have matching uniforms with regard to patches v. paint (as opposed to all fencers in any one event must have matching uniform, which is what I though was being said), then all fencers must wear lames, including the epee ones, and presumably the foil lame will have to go on top of their sabre lame, so as to be fully matching all the other fencers.

DHCJr · 05-28-2006, 04:06 PM

Exactly, KD5MDK. That would be ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as how something was attached. Were the logos identical or were some embroidered and some painted logos? How they were attached to the leg has nothing to do about are they identical. What does the attachment of the logos have to do with the logo?

Also was this done for the individual, since it is required there also?

qatet · 05-28-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Exactly, KD5MDK. That would be ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as how something was attached. Were the logos identical or were some embroidered and some painted logos? How they were attached to the leg has nothing to do about are they identical. What does the attachment of the logos have to do with the logo?

Also was this done for the individual, since it is required there also?

Ahh, I see. You are imagining fabric with the colors painted on, and sewing that on. No, I believe that some were embroidered and some painted.

DHCJr · 05-28-2006, 04:47 PM

Now that makes sense. It is the biggest reason, I pushed to have the Team Armorer picked before the J.O.'s and there so they can make sure that every item is legal for the FIE.

Thank you, with what you gave, qatet, that I agree with the decision.

twisterfencing · 05-29-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Now that makes sense. It is the biggest reason, I pushed to have the Team Armorer picked before the J.O.'s and there so they can make sure that every item is legal for the FIE.

Thank you, with what you gave, qatet, that I agree with the decision.

Glad you told Rocky or someone else to do that or we would have been in a whole heep of trouble there in Korea to stay legal.

I really did not want to lay blame on what vendors caused this issue, yet I think you know or can figure it out.

Gary Spruill

DHCJr · 05-29-2006, 03:41 AM

Don't thank me, because I didn't succeed. They did not appoint the Armorers until after the J.O.'s and I don't believe they suggested they go to the meet Armorers to check.

I did mention to Matthew it might be good to have a few extras because of the second leg. Until it was mentioned here, I did not think of the problem with the embroidered logo.

Matthew and Rocky are the ones to thank.

twisterfencing · 05-29-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DHCJr

Don't thank me, because I didn't succeed. They did not appoint the Armorers until after the J.O.'s and I don't believe they suggested they go to the meet Armorers to check.

I did mention to Matthew it might be good to have a few extras because of the second leg. Until it was mentioned here, I did not think of the problem with the embroidered logo.

Matthew and Rocky are the ones to thank.

OK, well, someone had the forsite to go to Marx, have the country logo put on swatches and take them with them to Korea to be sewed on for that just in case moment. Whoever did this, or suggested it. Thank you.

Rick Shellhouse · 05-29-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermom

I heard a rumor that the US may adopt different colors/design for FIE competitions next season. Does anyone know anything about this?

From what I was told the plan is to have a new National Colors developed that will be the property of the USFA....then..

Year One the old logo still in effect

Year Two Both Logos in effect old and new

Year Three The new logo only...

Now this of course has to clear the FIE but the goal is to cut down of the kids having to replace their kinickers right away.

Rick Shellhouse