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anacardo · 05-22-2006, 02:51 AM

That is, a jacket cut specifically for saber fencing, without the groin panel. All I can find are three-weapon jackets. Anybody have a lead?

KD5MDK · 05-22-2006, 02:58 AM

Allstar and Uhlmann have them on their website. Therefore, presumably they are available from their US vendors, perhaps with a little extra trouble.

Please note the lame is required to have the groin panel anyhow.

***Craig*** · 05-24-2006, 09:59 AM

You may want to try www.amfence.com - they may still carry them.

oiuyt · 05-24-2006, 01:31 PM

You could buy a regular jacket and then have it altered locally.

-B

Ordway · 05-24-2006, 04:21 PM

Just out of curiosity, why would you want to have a jacket like that anyway?

sabreur · 05-25-2006, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ordway

Just out of curiosity, why would you want to have a jacket like that anyway?

Because they are traditional and they look dead cool.

Bit of a waste if you fence other weapons, but if you only fence sabre... Certainly the only jacket I would own.

Inquartata · 05-25-2006, 09:07 AM

Eh. With these S2000 blades I don't mind having an extra layer of protection over the abdomen and groin...

Peach · 05-25-2006, 09:58 AM

They do look cool. I have contemplated getting one for a long time. Especially since the current street fashion is for cropped jackets

Next thing--a "shrug" fencing jacket? I've seen some foil lames that could fit that description. Dolman-sleeve? A Hamlet-style fencing jacket with a laced placket? Woohoo!!!!!

rcmatthews · 05-25-2006, 05:53 PM

I just got mine a few days ago. I went with the sabre model because it looks cool, is different from what most people wear, and because I have no intention of fencing other weapons. I am slightly worried about an errant belly cut, but I don't think having jacket material there is really going to protect you from the pain.

KD5MDK · 05-25-2006, 09:10 PM

Who did you order from? I ended up sending him to Fechtsport Langenkamp because he didn't want to figure Euro sizing out, so I figured someone to talk to would help.

rcmatthews · 05-26-2006, 03:13 AM

the same. its custom cut though, so i didnt have to mess with euro sizing, except to measure in centimetres.

for jackets though, all you do is add 10

InfernoXV · 10-09-2008, 04:16 AM

Hi chaps - sorry to resurrect this old thread, but does anyone know if short sabre lamés are available anywhere?

SJCFU#2 · 10-09-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by InfernoXV

Hi chaps - sorry to resurrect this old thread, but does anyone know if short sabre lamés are available anywhere?

If by "short" you mean "cut off at the waist similar to a traditional saber jacket", then the answer is "They don't exist". Saber lames are required to have a strap passing between the fencers legs (m.34).

If by "short" you are simply refering to size and fit then I suggest looking through the multitude of threads discussing the fit of various jackets. The cut of an individual manufacturer's lame tends to match that of their jacket.

InfernoXV · 10-09-2008, 03:04 PM

Ah, many thanks! 'Cut off at the waist similar to a traditional sabre jacket' was what I had in mind. Now that I know they don't exist, that's one 'weird item' off my 'to-track-down' list.

sheck · 10-09-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by InfernoXV

Ah, many thanks! 'Cut off at the waist similar to a traditional sabre jacket' was what I had in mind. Now that I know they don't exist, that's one 'weird item' off my 'to-track-down' list.

They did exist when electric sabre first came out. I can't remember exactly when the strap became mandatory but it was early in the process.

Inquartata · 10-10-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmatthews

I am slightly worried about an errant belly cut, but I don't think having jacket material there is really going to protect you from the pain.

It's neither cuts nor pain that should worry you in that respect, it's the occasional use of the point. Since the advent of the stiff(er) S2000 sabre blades there have been a number of incidents in which point hits resulted in rather dramatic piercing injuries. With intact blades, too, mind you. The cuissard of a lamé is not much sturdier than that of your average glove, several of which have been ineffective in preventing said piercing wounds. I like jacket behind it for that reason, myself.

zenpharaohs · 10-16-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

It's neither cuts nor pain that should worry you in that respect, it's the occasional use of the point. Since the advent of the stiff(er) S2000 sabre blades there have been a number of incidents in which point hits resulted in rather dramatic piercing injuries. With intact blades, too, mind you.

Were these cases of properly presented point attacks? (Meaning with the correct pronation and slight upward motion to create the bend?)

I haven't been putting much bend in my new blades compared to the old days where we had that "reach around the guard" bend in the foibles. (I just recently started fencing again since around 1999.) Am I being unsafe?

Inquartata · 10-17-2008, 12:30 AM

Hard to say, I didn't see any of them. Probably it was a combination of an attempted stop meeting an extending hand. You know how sabre is, everything is done at full speed and full tilt...

zenpharaohs · 10-17-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

You know how sabre is, everything is done at full speed and full tilt...

Well, yes, if you want to win at it.

Inquartata · 10-17-2008, 05:24 PM

And the result was a point---an unbroken, looped sabre point---piercing a glove, entering at the wrist and travelling inside the arm at least to the elbow in the case with which I am most familiar. One of Edew's students suffered a similar injury. Then there was the hand that got run through in Athens...Keeth's, was it? ( Pesky old memory! )