For everyone planning to attend a tourney in North Carolina

[RebelFencer]

And then they could recruit Bruce Vail to their events, beat him, and jumpstart an inflationary trend in their rating system.

excellent. yes...

Now now, Vail isn't shaming the sport like that kudzu club in NC.

[Frank Pratt]

And then they could recruit Bruce Vail to their events, beat him, and jumpstart an inflationary trend in their rating system.

excellent. yes...

...or they could just travel to the big apple and (try to) take some "A" ratings from the NYAC fencers. If they can inflate their ratings by taking on Bruce, then they should be able to handle most of what the NYC area has to offer.

I wouldn't bet on it, though.

[Bayou Bum]

And then they could recruit Bruce Vail to their events, beat him, and jumpstart an inflationary trend in their rating system.

excellent. yes...

WTF ... why are you attacking someone who isn't even posting in this thread? You obviously have one big burr up your a**.

[Mr Epee]

From a few other posts it's fairly obvious that "I am Fluffy" is very close to Vail - and it was a joke based a recent thread in which there was some controversy about Vail being robbed of touches by some friendly Southerners.

BUT while we're on the subject... take a gander at askFred... and do a little math.

I think ya'll need to settle down.

[oiuyt]

From a few other posts it's fairly obvious that "I am Fluffy" is very close to Vail

Oooh, the plot thickens... all of "I am Fluffy"'s previous posts have been removed. So people can't see what MrE is refering to, perhaps?

-B

[dekko]

Maybe North Carolina could secede from the US and start their own country with their own rules and rating requirements ... much like they tried in 1861.

We will likely leave that honor for Texas, as they vote on it every two years anyway.

[TooLoftheDeviL]

I think ya'll need to settle down.

Ya'll?? Where'd you learn to talk like that?

[Bayou Bum]

From a few other posts it's fairly obvious that "I am Fluffy" is very close to Vail - and it was a joke based a recent thread in which there was some controversy about Vail being robbed of touches by some friendly Southerners.

I don't know much about this, except the entire thread should have been deleted. I don't think accusations and personal insults qualify as jokes.

BUT while we're on the subject... take a gander at askFred... and do a little math.

Sorry, but I don't see what you are referring to.

Also, results on askfred can be misleading. Such as, "U" fencers finishing 1st and 3rd at the KCFC Holiday tournament 12/10/05 (an A2) and earning "A05" and "B05" ratings. It would look very suspicious if you didn't know the whole story. It would be easy to question how ** **** could possibly lose to a "U" fencer without knowing all the facts.

Maybe you just need to settle down.

[Mr Epee]

As Brad already pointed out, the posts I was referring to were deleted by Mr Fluffy...

Re: KCFC event... Brad Tucker happens to be an "A05"... I don't know why he would be listed as a "U" at that event... a little better research would have cleared that up.

If you wish to be intentionally dense, then that's probably a personal problem that I can't help you with.

I still think you should settle down....

[Mr Epee]

Ya'll?? Where'd you learn to talk like that?

Matlock Reruns....

Next question!

[Bayou Bum]

Re: KCFC event... Brad Tucker happens to be an "A05"... I don't know why he would be listed as a "U" at that event... a little better research would have cleared that up.

Thanks, that's my point exactly. Of course I know who Brad Tucker is, but that is why you can't just look at ratings on askfred to judge a tournament or a fencers performance.

If you wish to be intentionally dense, then that's probably a personal problem that I can't help you with.

Why do some people always turn to insults when they are wrong?

[Mr Epee]

Why do some people always turn to insults when they are wrong?

Why do some people make things more complicated than they really are?

What am I missing?

[oiuyt]

Re: KCFC event... Brad Tucker happens to be an "A05"... I don't know why he would be listed as a "U" at that event... a little better research would have cleared that up.

Interestingly he was still listed as a B05 for the 2006 LFC Icicle Tournament, which negatively impacted the classification of the tournament (and a bunch of the finishers). [edit: this paragraph is pretty much completely wrong -- see the next two posts]

In the 2005 Icicle Tournament he went from B04 to B05, which tends to support MrE's assertion that he was not a U in December 2005.

Don't know whether he earned the A anywhere else other than at the KCFC December event, but it certainly doesn't seem like it was a U->A jump.

-B

[Mr Epee]

Interestingly he was still listed as a B05 for the 2006 LFC Icicle Tournament, which negatively impacted the classification of the tournament (and a bunch of the finishers).

In the 2005 Icicle Tournament he went from B04 to B05, which tends to support MrE's assertion that he was not a U in December 2005.

Don't know whether he earned the A anywhere else other than at the KCFC December event, but it certainly doesn't seem like it was a U->A jump.

-B

Brad, Brad, Brad....

His rating is listed correctly in the link you provided... in epee.


I don't know what his problem is in askfred...

[oiuyt]

Brad, Brad, Brad....

His rating is listed correctly in the link you provided... in epee.


I don't know what his problem is in askfred...

Heh. Yeah, scrolling down to epee might have helped a bit, huh? :)

There's a reason for the disclaimer:

* Ratings in FRED are NOT official, and are subject to USFA and division policies. The USFA is the final authority for fencer ratings.

-B

[davesaint]

Interestingly he was still listed as a B05 for the 2006 LFC Icicle Tournament, which negatively impacted the classification of the tournament (and a bunch of the finishers). [edit: this paragraph is pretty much completely wrong -- see the next two posts]

In the 2005 Icicle Tournament he went from B04 to B05, which tends to support MrE's assertion that he was not a U in December 2005.

Don't know whether he earned the A anywhere else other than at the KCFC December event, but it certainly doesn't seem like it was a U->A jump.

-B

Brad Tucker was listed as an A05 in Epee at the Remenyik Open on 10/23/05


Dave

[Spike327]

...or they could just travel to the big apple and (try to) take some "A" ratings from the NYAC fencers.

Somehow I doubt it... it's hard to fence well if you're hiding from the cops.

Too much?

[oiuyt]

Updated announcement text on the website. Also a list of previously-held-but-now-invalidated tournaments (including the one I attended without seeing any issues).

The text is now unclear on whether ANY future NC events this season are sanctioned (my reading is not, but there's also an explicit list of desanctioned events which may or may not be an exhaustive list of events).

No further details are given about the nature of the irregularities.

-B

[dekko]

Updated announcement text on the website. Also a list of previously-held-but-now-invalidated tournaments (including the one I attended without seeing any issues).

The text is now unclear on whether ANY future NC events this season are sanctioned (my reading is not, but there's also an explicit list of desanctioned events which may or may not be an exhaustive list of events).

No further details are given about the nature of the irregularities.

-B

You fenced without showing a USFA card, how is that not an issue?

Anyway, I spoke with a division officer and most, if not all, of the events were invalidated due to non-USFA members fencing in them. One of my clubs events was invalidated due to a fencer from another club not being a USFA member. I am not upset about it as the fencer who earned a rating at that event got the same rating at an event in Atlanta. Unfortunately, there was at least one non-USFA member at that event so who knows what will happen. But, the non-USFA member did not fence in the D and under so hopefully that event will stand and just invalidate the open event so the two kids who earned new ratings do not lose them. We shall see.

There is to be another communication from the division officers soon about how they will move forward with the remaining events and possibly how they will handle events this fall and moving forward. Not sure when this will be but I was told within the next few days.

Guess this does ripple through at least some of the southeast directly as opposed to indirectly.

Enjoy!

[Frank Pratt]

You fenced without showing a USFA card, how is that not an issue?

Anyway, I spoke with a division officer and most, if not all, of the events were invalidated due to non-USFA members fencing in them. One of my clubs events was invalidated due to a fencer from another club not being a USFA member. I am not upset about it as the fencer who earned a rating at that event got the same rating at an event in Atlanta. Unfortunately, there was at least one non-USFA member at that event so who knows what will happen. But, the non-USFA member did not fence in the D and under so hopefully that event will stand and just invalidate the open event so the two kids who earned new ratings do not lose them. We shall see.

There is to be another communication from the division officers soon about how they will move forward with the remaining events and possibly how they will handle events this fall and moving forward. Not sure when this will be but I was told within the next few days.

Guess this does ripple through at least some of the southeast directly as opposed to indirectly.

Enjoy!

If the events were not sanctioned just because the organizers were too lazy to obtain proof of membership, then why would a division officer have to physically be there just to make sure that fencers are showing their cards at check-in?! This is like eliminating an ant hill with a flamethrower. It would be much easier to demand that the Bout Committee submit a photocopy of each fencer's membership card (or other proof of membership obtained from the USFA). It would be a hassle to get a copier for each event, but I would borrow, rent, or buy a copier if it were required to obtain sanctioning. The club (or the division secretary) should be able to get a current list of USFA fencers from the National Office. He/she could request an updated list a few days before the event and fax or e-mail it to the bout committee chairman (I got the list in an Excel spreadsheet via. e-mail when I last requested one.) In light of this problem, I'm certainly going to get a membership list for all of our future tournaments. I'll probably copy everyone's card too while I'm at it.