05-17-2006, 12:45 AM
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| Bouncing in Epee
I have noticed a lot of Epeeist bounce while fencing. Is this a requirement of the weapon, or a personal choice? | 
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05-17-2006, 12:48 AM
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05-17-2006, 12:53 AM
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| It's a requirement. I saw a guy refuse to bounce once, it was an ugly scene. First there was a yellow card, and then upon his insistance that bouncing was not necessary he was black carded. It was aamAAzing.
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05-17-2006, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs | Sorry.... | |
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05-17-2006, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Epee Scherma It's a requirement. I saw a guy refuse to bounce once, it was an ugly scene. First there was a yellow card, and then upon his insistance that bouncing was not necessary he was black carded. It was aamAAzing. | Could you direct me to where the ruling is on it being a requirement.
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05-17-2006, 01:26 AM
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| That was sarcasm, no it's not required, just a choice. 
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Also to the people on the forum, go easier on someone who just joined. Not everyone can pick up on the 'mood' of a board immediatly.
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BrisGirl, welcome to forum, it's good to have another épéeist!
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05-17-2006, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BrisGirl Could you direct me to where the ruling is on it being a requirement.
Many thanks | It's listed under "Passivity."
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05-17-2006, 07:13 AM
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| Im afraid its not good to have another epeeist on the forum, everytime there's another one the sreen bounces more and more.
But seriously welcome to the forum 
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05-17-2006, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TitanHawk BrisGirl, welcome to forum, it's good to have another épéeist! | Indeed. Especially a non-bouncing one 
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05-17-2006, 07:38 PM
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| Is it me or does the name "BrisGirl" seem an odd coupling, given the usual target of a Bris?
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05-17-2006, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RoninX Is it me or does the name "BrisGirl" seem an odd coupling, given the usual target of a Bris? | Maybe it's a hint that Bris was overdone? 
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05-17-2006, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Army Fencer It's listed under "Passivity." | That's a pretty liberal interpretation of the USFA rules: Quote: |
Originally Posted by USFA rules pg26 t.87 During the first and second periods of a direct elimination bout,
and the first eight bouts of a team match, when both fencers make
clear their desire to stop fencing or show evident passivity, the
referee will immediately call ‘halt!’ and the two fencers will in
individual direct elimination take their regulation one minute rest,
in team matches will proceed to the next bout.
If passivity is determined during the first two minutes of a pool
bout, or during the first two minutes of the third period of the
direct elimination bout, the referee will call halt, and determine
priority. The fencers will then fence a one minute period, without
sudden death. The bout will end when one fencer reaches the
maximum score (5 or 15 points) or time expires.
Should there be manifest passivity or unwillingness to fence during
the third minute, the referee will neither give a warning nor stop the
bout | Bouncing itself is not an indication of willingness to fence, nor is not bouncing an indicator that the person does not want to fence. Both bouncing and not bouncing present varying strategies to timing, tempo and distance. Arbitrarily "requiring" bouncing seems foolish and invites a lack of control over your footwork. | |
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05-17-2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLittle Bouncing itself is not an indication of willingness to fence, nor is not bouncing an indicator that the person does not want to fence. Both bouncing and not bouncing present varying strategies to timing, tempo and distance. Arbitrarily "requiring" bouncing seems foolish and invites a lack of control over your footwork. | Loosen up 
Army isn't always serious ...
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05-17-2006, 09:44 PM
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| Needle... Crazy Little is new.
Welcome CrazyLittle & BrisGirl... enjoy the forum and some of the subtle and not so subtle humour.
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05-17-2006, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BrisGirl Sorry.... | No, that's OK, I wasn't trying to yell at you. I can understand that threads are hard to find sometimes. Especially since this one had "hop" instead of "bounce" in the title.
Just to be clear, bouncing is not actually a requirment and many epeeists don't bounce.
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05-17-2006, 09:51 PM
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| So if your opponent stops bouncing, at what point do you check if they're still awake? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Fencergrl Needle... Crazy Little is new.
Welcome CrazyLittle & BrisGirl... enjoy the forum and some of the subtle and not so subtle humour. | I've been lurking for a couple months. Work today is frustrating, so my humor's a little off today.
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05-17-2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLittle So if your opponent stops bouncing, at what point do you check if they're still awake? | At the point of your epee, silly
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05-17-2006, 09:56 PM
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| You don't... you just poke them with your epee.
BTW... CrazyLittle be careful what you say about epeeists around here. ALL the fencers (especially Inq) consider us gods.... I know, I know it's a little embarrassing at times, but what can you do???
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05-17-2006, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fencergrl You don't... you just poke them with your epee. | Beat you to it  Quote: |
Originally Posted by Fencergrl ALL the fencers (especially Inq) consider us gods.... I know, I know it's a little embarrassing at times, but what can you do??? | Considering that my real name means God-like (oops, did I just overshare?), they are not too far from the truth 
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05-17-2006, 10:04 PM
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| Well... as you recall...so is mine!
Mothers must know when they're about to have an epeeist!
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