Huh.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe

Mr. Biggs, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
(Apologies to the writers of Billy Madison)

Um, ok. I was saying that fencers regularly compete in non-USFA tournaments.


Therefore, it is not reasonable to say that the USFA will care about that.


Was that coherent?

Also, the question was rhetorical, because I assume the answer is "no."

[DJ Apostrophe]

You DID ask a question

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

Are college fencers and high school fencers in dangerous violation of the rules because nearly all of those competitions are non-USFA?

granted, you mostly answered it for yourself, but you did ask question....

the little diatribe from Billy Madison popped into my head... and I just saw appropriate to adapt it...

I'm sorry you didn't see the humor, and it went right over your head... you probaby haven't seen the movie (too young i'm guessing)... sorry that you took that as an attack... it really wasn't.

-w

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe

sorry that you took that as an attack... it really wasn't.

-w

No problem. I haven't seen the movie, and I didn't get it at all.

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by DJ Apostrophe

you probaby haven't seen the movie (too young i'm guessing)...

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

No problem. I haven't seen the movie, and I didn't get it at all.

I feel old...

-m

[KD5MDK]

I believe that the USFA sanctions tournaments at which some academic standing is a requirement, but does not award ratings.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by epeemike81

I feel old...

-m

You guys aren't old, I'm just out of the loop.

[Frank Pratt]

Originally Posted by Padawan

by the way I don't believe you can waive away your right to sue the host of a tournament. It just helps in court to show that the person understood the risks of the activity. I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on television. Please consult your an attorney for proper guidence.

ps OIUYT is so smart, don't you agree?

I think you're right; AFAIK (I'm not a lawyer either,) there is nothing that can prevent someone from filing a lawsuit. In the U.S., you can sue anyone for anything, and for any reason. A waiver may affect what happens after the suit is filed (e.g. it might provide evidence that the plaintiff knew that there was a chance that a broken blade would go through his lung). Oiuyt had a good point; waivers are useful in that they will hopefully convince a potential plaintiff from filing a suit in the first place. They might be useful, but in and of themselves, I think waiver carry very little weight legally.

[oiuyt]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

I believe that the USFA sanctions tournaments at which some academic standing is a requirement, but does not award ratings.

Mmmm, of note here is that "academic" is an overloaded word here. It also includes fencing competitions where winning is not exclusively based on scoring of touches. An obvious examlpe would be some format that including scoring for form. Or, in theory, asking calculus questions between touches and using them as part of the scoring... :)

Originally Posted by DJA

I'm sorry you didn't see the humor, and it went right over your head... you probaby haven't seen the movie (too young i'm guessing)...

Or are too short. :)

-B

[Mr Epee]

Originally Posted by Frank Pratt

[Waivers] might be useful, but in and of themselves, I think waiver carry very little weight legally.

^^^^This is a fairly fashionable statement ^^^^

However, it isn't true.

While incidents of gross negligence cannot be waived, there are many incidents that can be covered by a correctly written waiver/consent to participate form.

Waivers are extremely valuable... beyond trying to convince people not to sue you.

Keep in mind that that liability laws are State specific.

[KD5MDK]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Mmmm, of note here is that "academic" is an overloaded word here. It also includes fencing competitions where winning is not exclusively based on scoring of touches. An obvious examlpe would be some format that including scoring for form. Or, in theory, asking calculus questions between touches and using them as part of the scoring...

-B

True, however my specific example I had in mind was:
Louisiana State High School Fencing Championships
The organizers were told that they could award ratings if it were either:
a) which any high school student could enter, or restricted to Ark-La-Miss and Louisiana divisions.
b) Restricted to Lousiana State residents only, but Junior events (a recognized age category)
But that ratings could not be awarded for a tournament with both academic and non-standard geographical restrictions. As the organizers felt that the event should only allow High School students from Louisiana, they did not award ratings, but it was a sanctioned event.

[tkexi991]

Originally Posted by Mr Epee

^^^^This is a fairly fashionable statement ^^^^

However, it isn't true.

While incidents of gross negligence cannot be waived, there are many incidents that can be covered by a correctly written waiver/consent to participate form.

Waivers are extremely valuable... beyond trying to convince people not to sue you.

Keep in mind that that liability laws are State specific.

Waivers are valuable, but you can ALWAYS sue. You may not win, but a simple waiver can't take away your right to bring an issue before the courts. After all, you can sue tobacco companies for giving you lung cancer, even if the cigarette pack says it will do exactly that on the label.