Pointless Observations: Southeast Sectionals Point Totals

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Point Totals from 2006 Southeast sectionals, 40% rounded up using Div 1 domestic points table.

Georgia-29159
Virginia-16239
Alabama-15466
North Carolina-13539
Tennessee-12172
Gold Coast Florida-8639
Gateway Florida-7884
Central Florida-2925
South Carolina- 2250

Pointless Observation: It is much better to be in North Carolina then South Carolina.....

[Morion]

How are points determined and do they do it the same way everywhere? I figure I might as well give this pointless post a point!

[fencergal33]

They do not do points the same way everywhere. National points are what DFP used, and other sections/areas/clubs have their own methods.

[Redblade]

Data lacks value without framing by other variables.

For example, it might just be that certain divisions during this particular time period have a larger pool of fencers to collect points, or that other areas saw a larger number of inconvenient illnesses affecting fencers during competition days, or that socio-economic factors prevalent to a region afford those athletes opportunities to fence more often and attend more events, or any number of other funky factors that can only be imagined.

[mrbiggs]

For example, it might just be that certain divisions during this particular time period have a larger pool of fencers to collect points, or that other areas saw a larger number of inconvenient illnesses affecting fencers during competition days, or that socio-economic factors prevalent to a region afford those athletes opportunities to fence more often and attend more events, or any number of other funky factors that can only be imagined.

I disagree, about the first part at least. I'd rather be in an area with 5 good fencers rather than 1 good fencer, therefore, adjusting for that is not necessary. The other factors are pretty random and would probably cancel out if more data was taken.

[seak]

I disagree, about the first part at least. I'd rather be in an area with 5 good fencers rather than 1 good fencer, therefore, adjusting for that is not necessary. The other factors are pretty random and would probably cancel out if more data was taken.

Basically you're correct except that you are making the assumption that all fencers choose to fence.

If area A has 5 top quality fencers on the points list but only one shows up

vs.

Area B which has 5 top quality fencers who are on the points list but all show up b/c sectionals is in their backyard.

Hence why number of fencers matters

[Mr Epee]

I disagree, about the first part at least. I'd rather be in an area with 5 good fencers rather than 1 good fencer, therefore, adjusting for that is not necessary. The other factors are pretty random and would probably cancel out if more data was taken.

Strength factors don't work very well at the Regional level, because the quality of fencing is generally poor across the board.

At the National (much more so at the international level), the level of the fencers in the 32 are only slightly below the level of those in the finals.

However, at a regional event the difference is vast.

[fixxmyweapon]

Pointless Observation: It is much better to be in North Carolina then South Carolina.....

um, anyone could have told you that and not even glanced at points...

[mrbiggs]

I understand now. The first time I read through, I thought he was talking about the division 1 points list. Never mind.

[TooLoftheDeviL]

What is North Carolina offering me that South Carolina is not?

[Padawan]

two ncaa fencing programs.

[TooLoftheDeviL]

two ncaa fencing programs.

This offers *me* nothing :P

[KD5MDK]

As a matter of fact, DFP's Observation, far from being pointless, contains 108273 of them.

[bigdawg2121]

I mean I could think of several things Tool, do you need a list?


1) Better looking women at a much higher incidence. 65-45 not bad at all. All things considered it would even leave Tony the Tiger speechless.

2) Higher concentrations of nationally competitive fencers and coaches.

3) Colors that aren't rather gaudy shades of purple and orange

[keropie]

This offers *me* nothing :P

Sure it does, it offers you a higher concentration of fencers who have competitive NCAA experience, which (in most areas) does tend to raise the level

[Craig]

What is North Carolina offering me that South Carolina is not?

Franklin Street
Top of the Hill
The Rat
2am chicken biscuits at Time Out

and of course - the quad in the spring

Oh, and there are a number of fencers there too

[fixxmyweapon]

mmmm time out. sweet tea. oh chapel hill, how i miss you in the summer.