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05-18-2006, 06:40 AM
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05-18-2006, 07:42 AM
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#43 | | Yes We Did
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Originally Posted by hale bopp having said all that...it is just a sport, right!...
i totally agree with erooMynohtnA in that perhaps he is suggesting that we should drop the cultural crapola and just have fun...and have fun with whatever we wanna have fun with...
erooMynohtnA...how did you come to fencing? | If you don't mind, I'll just handle both posts in this one. I started fencing around 14 because my mom suggested it.
I don't know where you're getting your facts from about dueling (or battles). Are you counting pistols, wars, WWI, WWII, axes, knives, clubs, spears, nonconventional military conflicts, machetes, bombs, poison gas? It doesn't matter. I gaurantee more people have played sports. I'll say 1 billion people dueled, which I think is a pretty generous estimate. Show me one person who hasn't played soccer as a kid. It's stretching it, but I'd wager more people have bowled (ninepins included) than a billion. Basketball, swimming, whatever.
If you define dueling as the gentleman's agreement to combat with witnesses, I don't think it really goes on in any major role today. But, if you're including knife fights in a bar or ritualized stick fights in aboriginal cultures, I would agree with that. There are also things like the Ultimate Fighting Championships, maybe that counts. It's unarmed, so I don't know if that precludes it.
I also don't mind it when people state their weapon is the best. Lord knows, they're wrong, unless they say it's foil, but they're entitled to their (wrong) opinion. I just don't think it's really a good reason to state that it's best because it's the closest to real sworldplay. I don't think it's a good reason to state baseball is better than tennis, because its bat provides you with a piece of wood with which you could kill an antelope and the requisite skills to rule the savanna.
I like foil for foil. I used to like foil for swords. I liked it because it was metal and cool, and I was a swashbuckler. Now, I just like the pretty lights. I don't romanticize it, I just enjoy it. | |
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05-18-2006, 03:57 PM
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#44 | | Just Joined
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| just to clarify...
i consider dueling to include any fight of any kind choosing any weapon...shoot id even throw wrestling in there...i would reckon that more people throughout history have been in a fight of some kind than have played soccer...i would also reckon that there are more swords out there in the space tyme continuum than there are soccer balls...
and to clarify...what i meant was any single sport...obviously nearly everyone has played some sort of sport...the point is that most sports are not continuously played throughout tyme...(i mentioned running as an exception)...and i will venture that long after soccer is a faded memory you will have two people who pick up sharp sticks and poke each other...having said that...they may decide after their duel to kick around a bloated pig tummy just for fun...
the point i was trying to make is that swordplay of any kind resembles the real world in a way that soccer or other sports like bowling do not...sure they are both metaphor for war or fighting but one leaves alot more to the imagination
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05-18-2006, 04:05 PM
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#45 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by hale bopp 3. epee is just plain cooler... | Whup! There it is! | |
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05-18-2006, 04:10 PM
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| having given it some thought...i also dont mind one thinking a certain weapon is superior...as long as we can all agree that buce lee would kick all our butts with no weapon at all! | |
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05-18-2006, 04:18 PM
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#47 | | Fencing Expert
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Anyone else reminded of Mango off her meds?
And three dots from 9 posts without any content over the course of two weeks. And no obvious epee-rep harvesting.
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05-18-2006, 04:48 PM
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#48 | | Yes We Did
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Originally Posted by hale bopp just to clarify...
i consider dueling to include any fight of any kind choosing any weapon...shoot id even throw wrestling in there...i would reckon that more people throughout history have been in a fight of some kind than have played soccer...i would also reckon that there are more swords out there in the space tyme continuum than there are soccer balls...
and to clarify...what i meant was any single sport...obviously nearly everyone has played some sort of sport...the point is that most sports are not continuously played throughout tyme...(i mentioned running as an exception)...and i will venture that long after soccer is a faded memory you will have two people who pick up sharp sticks and poke each other...having said that...they may decide after their duel to kick around a bloated pig tummy just for fun...
the point i was trying to make is that swordplay of any kind resembles the real world in a way that soccer or other sports like bowling do not...sure they are both metaphor for war or fighting but one leaves alot more to the imagination | That's equivocating. You're not defining a duel, and you're using different definitions of the word for whatever fits the current statement. When you throw wrestling in there, that relegates dueling to a sport. No one wrestling is trying to injure his opponent. That has nothing to do with swords, swordplay, or combat. Dueling can mean something as simple as a contest between two people. In that use of duel, soccer is related to dueling, because soccer is a duel. Everytime two people square off with a ball, they're dueling. Karate, chess, polo, tic tac toe, poker, whatever you can think of fits that definition of dueling. | |
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05-18-2006, 05:22 PM
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| I rescind my original reply, as there are two fencers in my club who began in epee' and adore it. Their commitment to growth in the sport is admirable.
Since I'm not an expert, and observations matter-to me- maybe epee' or foil
is adequate.
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05-18-2006, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by erooMynohtnA That's equivocating. You're not defining a duel, and you're using different definitions of the word for whatever fits the current statement. When you throw wrestling in there, that relegates dueling to a sport. No one wrestling is trying to injure his opponent. That has nothing to do with swords, swordplay, or combat. Dueling can mean something as simple as a contest between two people. In that use of duel, soccer is related to dueling, because soccer is a duel. Everytime two people square off with a ball, they're dueling. Karate, chess, polo, tic tac toe, poker, whatever you can think of fits that definition of dueling. | touche...
"No one wrestling is trying to injure his opponent"
i have been in several fights as a teenager where i tried like hell to injure my opponent...
dgeex i cant even remember my original point! ha!
i think duel has its roots in being a two sided contest...thus the name...you are right...a soccer match is a duel of sorts...but does soccer resemble anything in everyday life..?...it is a made up game that has evolved from kicking a pinecone or stone or some other object...i am not hung up on 'the duel'...i am merely pointing out that swordfighting is culturally charged in a way that soccer can never be...you are one little button away from killing a person...
getting back to my original point in praising fencing in general...fencing sets itself aside from other sports because, like wrestling it is so close to what happens in life...so, at least to me, fencing is not 'just a sport'...that's all
we can argue all day about swordplay being a thing of the past...but if you have ever been to a third world nation where the people do not have guns...well you get the idea...in tchad, every man carried a blade beneith their tunic while they are at market, for example...i just think it is interesting how fundemental the sword is in human culture...from religeon to politics...there are few sports that go that deep | |
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05-18-2006, 07:38 PM
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| I started with foil then moved onto epee, and it really did help. I don't think I would have done as well starting with epee. But if that's the only club around, then go for it.
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05-18-2006, 07:48 PM
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#52 | | Just Joined
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Wow.
Anyone else reminded of Mango off her meds?
And three dots from 9 posts without any content over the course of two weeks. And no obvious epee-rep harvesting.
-B | oops i am sorry...i mistook this for a discussion forum...could you please enlighten me as to what constitutes 'content'...remember that i am new here...i anxiously await your reply...
i enjoy being forced to think about my actions rather than going into something blindly...perhaps that will help me on the strip as well...
as for the green dots...they are as important to me as epee-rep harvesting...you may have them all oiuyt
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05-18-2006, 10:25 PM
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#53 | | Yes We Did
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Originally Posted by hale bopp oops i am sorry...i mistook this for a discussion forum...could you please enlighten me as to what constitutes 'content'...remember that i am new here...i anxiously await your reply...
i enjoy being forced to think about my actions rather than going into something blindly...perhaps that will help me on the strip as well...
as for the green dots...they are as important to me as epee-rep harvesting...you may have them all oiuyt | I think he's referencing the natural inverse square law between elliptical contructions (...) and any real thought. | |
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05-19-2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by erooMynohtnA I think he's referencing the natural inverse square law between elliptical contructions (...) and any real thought. | please, socrates...why dont you please show me the holes in my logic...i suggest that you brush up on some history and maybe travel a bit outside the comforts of western civilization...that is if you still believe soccer balls outnumber swords in this world...or that more have put there fingers in bowling balls than have grabbed a hilt...(if you have gripes with my writing style then speak up anthony!...i think there must be a job as moderator waiting for you...)
at any rate...i await some "real thought" from you...any real thought
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05-19-2006, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hale bopp Please, Socrates, why dont you please show me the holes in my logic? I suggest that you brush up on some history and maybe travel a bit outside the comforts of western civilization--that is, if you still believe soccer balls outnumber swords in this world, or that more have put their fingers in bowling balls than have grabbed a hilt.
If you have gripes with my writing style then speak up, Anthony! I think there must be a job as moderator waiting for you.
At any rate, I await some "real thought" from you. Any real thought. | I had some free time and thought I'd make this readable. | |
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05-19-2006, 06:56 PM
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05-19-2006, 10:27 PM
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#57 | | Yes We Did
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Originally Posted by hale bopp thanks amadeus...between patients...got no tyme for grammar | I think my point has been made already. | |
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05-20-2006, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by erooMynohtnA I think my point has been made already. | as is mine | |
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05-20-2006, 05:09 PM
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#59 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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Originally Posted by hale bopp it was good enough for kerouac... | I knew Kerouac. I worked with Kerouac. And you, sir, are no Kerouac. 
( I didn't really know him, of course. I just couldn't resist the trope.  )
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05-20-2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hale bopp thanks amadeus...between patients...got no tyme for grammar | Translation: I have no respect for you people, so I can't be bothered. 
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