Fencing Bank robber

[Willow]

<singing> "If you only had a brain..."

It IS rude to say "another tall tale" when you don't even KNOW that person.

[Moonitic]

Mike, read this loud & clear. I'll type it slowly, in case you don't understand: I have nothing against you, but when you purposely make FALSE statements about people, especially my clubmates, I will not sit by & let that happen. You did it to me with the vampire comment (you weren't even around when that happened...it happened an entire year before you ever came around), & now you do it to Joel. Do you actually KNOW Joel enough to make such a statement? Guess what...I do. He's told no "tall tales" to speak of, & has been a considerate, honorable man. UNLIKE you & YOUR lies.

Based on what you've said here...who is the one who really tells the tall tales? Think about it. Next time, fully process a thought before it comes out your mouth.

END of conversation.

[Moonitic]

By the way, my husband heard mention of a fencing mask on the news too. There was a report of a robber with a "Halloween mask" at one point. In Urban Legend, a black fencing mask was used by the murderer.

It is very possible that it happened that way, or the newspeople made a mistake.

[MikeHarm]

Your husband told me the vampire story when I was starting your club, (which was before Buffy hit tv) if you insist on bringing the subject up over and over. I accept that you have a different interpretation of it, and I don't mind that you do, its your made up name give it any story you want. But I think you're not really following the thread at all, but using it as another excuse to lash out at me. It doesn't matter to me wether Joel made the story up or not, it was a bit of a fun diversion, and I thought it was kind of cool how everyone was coming together to help. If Joel is upset over anything I said, I'll be at your open tourney. He and I can go a few rounds in epee, and shake hands at the end if he likes. I'm sure he could be nudged into my seeding pool if people are really into the idea.

Mike


[ 09-09-2001: Message edited by: MikeHarm ]

[Moonitic]

Obviously you're mistaken. Here's the truth of the emergence of my nicknames, whether you want to accept it or not:

Vampire: Dale Walter gave me that nickname when Doug was speaking about visualizing the running thru of the opponent with the blade. That is how they wanted us to hit. Karen Whitmer & I laughed, mine being the loudest. Dale turned to me & said, "You little vampire." Hence "vampire". By the way, my husband wasn't even there that night. He was working afternoons/nights at the time. According to YOU, I got that nickname because of my "poor fencing skills." Don't lie, Mike...other people have seen you post this exact thing. Where were you? Oh yes...you didn't start fencing until a YEAR after I did.

Swashbuckler: Once upon a time, I wrote a story about a girl who lived as a cabin boy on a pirate ship. It was started my first or second year as a fencer. The other fencers found out I was a writer, & what I was writing about, & called me "swashbuckler." Yet you lied about that on this board too. In fact, I have it on very good authority that you and another person, who shall remain nameless, went to Bitbooks.com out of SPITE to knock down the rating on the first chapter of my book.

And now, my most current nickname...Buffy: In May of 1998, my dear friend Josh gave me a Buffy t-shirt for my birthday. I liked the show. I liked her strength. I decided to wear it to show it off at one of my first fencing tournaments, because I knew there were a few others who enjoyed the show. During the DE's, I drew Peggy Ho. I was losing, but having fun. It was in Schoolcraft's auxilary gym. I remember it well. I was attacking, & Peggy retreating. She slipped on a puddle of water (there were no metal strips down) & started to fall backward. As she fell, I tagged her square in the chest. The rules state that she was fair game until her bottom hit the ground. Jon Zelkowski, trying not to laugh, awarded me the touch, much to the delight of the onlookers. It is still talked about today. Might I add that you were NOT competing at this time? How do I know? I was at every tournament. Unless you were invisible, you weren't there. I put my Buffy shirt back on after losing the bout, & the name stuck.

There you have it. The complete truth as to where my nicknames have come from. Nothing like the lies you've told. And my husband read your remarks. As a man who doesn't lie, I trust him completely when he says, "Mike is full of it." Why? Because it all adds up.

By the way the last time you pulled the "I challenge you" crap, you never showed up. There is no amount of truth in you. And it's time you've been shown for what you really are. Whatever your problem is with me & Schoolcraft, get over it. You would be a decent person if you weren't such a liar, or troublemaker.

[MikeHarm]

Hmm, lesse.. last time it was, you raved a lot about how you got Polina to leave Eastern's club and how I was afraid to fence you. I showed up at your club, you sorta hid in the corner and stopped fencing when I arrived, then you ran over to tell Polina to leave, and had your husband hang out at the strip I was at fencing at behind me the whole time like he was gonna intimidate me or something to make sure I didn't go over to ask ya to fence and give me the unwelcome feeling. After dinner, someone followed my car back to Ypsi. I'm not sure if it was your friends thinking to rough me up at some point or not, but I wasn't particulary worried either way. Then you raved a lot on fencing net about not having to fence me with your friend Willow going on about good for you for not doing so for a few weeks.
However the issue is moot, you won't be in condition to fence with the unborn child and all, and lets face it, being angry is bad for babies right? My advice is move on, learn self control and to get a grip on your emotions, and work on issues that are constructive to your life rather than obsessing about me.

Mike

[Moonitic]

MORE lies. I didn't "rave" about how *I* got Polinea to leave Eastern. I didn't get Polinea to do anything. She did it of her own free will! I was, however, happy for her, because obviously she was treated like dirt there. How do I know that? SHE told me.

And I raved that you were too afraid to fence me? Now THAT is a laugh (and yet ANOTHER lie). I stated that I wouldn't fence you, & not because I was afraid.

Can you say ANYTHING that is truthful? I have no reason to make anything up. Why do you? Know what, I don't care. My friends & collegues know the truth about me, as well as anything that has gone on. And if people have questions (instead of lies), anyone is more than welcome to ask me instead of jumping to conclusions.

And this really is the end of the conversation. You're a sad, sad person. By the way, leave my baby out of this. Mommy is just fine, thanks.

[HilandDoug]

I am almost speechless. Do you two realize that the free world is watching you bicker? I am almost ashamed to say I know the both of you.

Mike: You may want to edit some of what you wrote previously. Earlier, you wrote,

"Its just as well that its just another of Joel's tall tales..."

You may not realize you are insinuating that Joel is lying for the sheer sport of it. I would hope that you do not mean that the way that it sounds. Joel may have written some fiction in the past, but there is a special section for that now, and this thread does not exist there. For you to not clarify this leaves room for others to criticize you, and worse, to pre-judge Joel unfairly. A gentleman would apologize to Joel for making that remark.

Also, you wrote, in a message that's already been edited once,

"...when I was starting your club,...[ 09-09-2001: Message edited by: MikeHarm ]"

You had nothing to do with the formation of Schoolcraft College Fencing Club, and I believe you know that. By making that statement, you lose credibility in all of your other statements.

Mary: You know that Mike is trying to get under your skin. You are too good of a person to let that effect you. Mike goes , and you go . I know you are more mature than that, as do your clubmates. Do not let it get to you. Remember, when you do this , he does this . Remember, too, when he invites you to an egg fight, you BOTH get some on your face.

[SteveMcDonough]

I totally agree.

If someone buys a mask, and decides to hold up a bank, or other business, I'm sure he'd be traced in a day or so! I mean.. How many masks can a shop sell in a week?

Even if 'he' bought it M.O. All the companies keep records of addresses. They only need to look up the stockists of the type of mask used, then get them to look back through thier records at people who bought one in Michigan.

It's a good story.

I'm not going to comment on the previous grevious. It's none of my business.

Steve.

[Moonitic]

Doug, for you & my clubmates, I'm sorry I even let him bother me. I guess I've just had it with the blatant lies (&, of course, the hormones are running rampant right now). I guess I should feel flattered that someone should be THAT jealous of me to make up such things. If someone is going to talk about me, it would be nice to at least be truthful, or ask about the whole story before they came up with their own. I have nothing to hide. Anyone who knows me knows that!

But as for the explanation of my nicknames over the years...it was fun to share with friends! Reminds me of the earlier thread that Zelda started about the same topic: Fencing nicknames. I'll always have fond memories of my first years as a fencer.

But don't ever call me Kathryn or Rei.

[MStaubitz]

Originally posted by Moonitic:
<STRONG>
But don't ever call me Kathryn or Rei. </STRONG>

Okay, I knew the story behind Buffy and I have even heard the story about "Vampire" at some point. Swashbuckler was new, but not too surprising... but now, why can't we call you Kathryn or Rei? Or is there a reason that would encourage us to do that?

See ya Friday and Saturday...

[Moonitic]

Kathryn was the character played by Sarah Michelle Gellar in Cruel Intentions. My dearest "brother" Josh seems to get a kick out of calling me that. Especially since he found out that Sarah & I both use "artificial" means to keep our hair a lighter blond.

Rei is a character in Sailor Moon (anime). She's the tough one. Sailor Mars. That's another of Josh's pet names for me.

And, again...I'm sorry this whole thing got me so upset. It has been going on for too long. I just wonder why a person needs to make up such lies, especially when they weren't around in the first place. Do they have some perverted fun doing it? Is that all they have to do with their lives? I really don't know. But trying to hurt another person, ruin their reputation, or harm their lifestyle isn't cool. I'm not the power hungry "mob boss" that I've been made out to be (& my husband is not my key lackey. He knows that I fight my own battles). But then, my real friends know better. And those who don't know me are always welcome to find out more.

With that, it's over. Just leave me alone, & try to have respect for other people.

[MStaubitz]

Sailor Moon ROCKS!!!

[Willow]

The only thing I am going to say is that I can't stand lies. My brother was the ultimate liar when I was growing up and he got me in trouble, until my mother figured out that he was the liar. So, I will NOT stand for anyone to be lied about or for lies to be told about me. Don't tell lies, especially ones so bad that everyone KNOWS you are lying. I have zero tolerance for lies.

[Moonitic]

Marc, yes she does! So, that's where Rei comes from...Sailor Mars. The witchy one (ok, temple priestess).

You know Josh...I've pointed him out to you. My newly married sweetie.

[scarlet_woman156k]

D@mn, completely for the context of this thread, it looks like Mike didn't do anything but get a little flustered at the idea someone gave a false lead as a joke and that his FRIENDS "fell" for it.

Having a perception of Mike from past experiences doesn't always mean he, at every moment, has the same intentions.

Hopefully everyone will play nice on the playground now.

-scarlet.

[RedsectorA]

Wow… I had no intention of this getting blown out like this… I hate to see two people arguing because of something I posted… makes me sorry that I did!

But regardless, I didn't make up the story… or tell a "Tall tale"… I may have dabbled in fiction from time to time .. but stating something which is untrue as a fact is not something that I indulge in. So as Forrest Gump says, "That's all I've got to say about that!"

The story came from WXYZ-TV on the morning of Sept 4th (5-6am News cast). I couldn't locate it on their website so I emailed them and they sent me the following blurb on the story:

"IN LIVONIA, POLICE ARE ON THE HUNT FOR A BANK ROBBER WHO WEARS A DISGUISE TO PULL OFF HIS JOBS. THE SUSPECT ROBBED THE FIRST FEDERAL BANK NEAR FIVE MILE AND MIDDLEBELT. WITNESSES TOLD POLICE HE WORE A FENCING MASK BUT USED A HANDFUL OF BALLOONS AS A COVER UP AND DISTRACTION. HE JUMPED THE COUNTER AND TOLD THE TELLERS TO LEAVE THEIR CASH DRAWERS OPEN. A WITNESS CALLED POLICE.. BUT THE SUSPECT STILL GOT AWAY. A SIMILAR ROBBERY OCCURRED IN JUNE. AT THAT TIME, POLICE TELL ACTION NEWS THE SUSPECT WORE A HALLOWEEN MASK. THEY BELIEVE HE LIVES IN THE 5 MILE & MIDDLEBELT AREA."

I did find a similar story that stated a man had been arrested for a Livonia robbery and one in Northville but they didn't mention a fencing mask in that, and I am not sure they mean the same banks. I don't know if the details are correct, I was just stating what I heard on the news cast. There were no pictures shown of the robbery nor any interviews, this was just a short little story, practically word for word as you see it above.

Now on to more important stuff ….. Fencing classes start in 4 days!

[Inquartata]

Just more proof of the old axiom that you should belive nothing you hear and only half of what you see. Probably the FBI know nothing about a fencing-mask-wearing bankrobber because the facts got lost somewhere between the on-site reporter's information-gathering and the broadcast---as everyone who's had any experience with an event later publicly reported knows, there're usually between one and five factual errors in any news story...

Not that the FBI has been covering itself with glory fact-wise lately, either.

[Willow]

Joel, you did NOTHING wrong. You told what happened. And, I love that you got the actual news story and posted it here. Thank you for that. I enjoyed reading it. You told the truth, and there is never anything to be ashamed of in that. It's not your fault someone took off with it and made waves. Keep the posts coming!

[Moonitic]

Thanks for posting the official blurb, Joel. Hubby could only give me sketchy details. I didn't know that the balloon case & the fencing (Halloween?) mask case were related.

By the way, by being a member of Schoolcraft, you're automatically a target. You did nothing wrong.

Oh, & Maestro Shapiro, as well as Jim Vesper, will be available for lessons this semester. The Maestro's schedule is packed, but Robbie said she might be able to squeeze a couple people in. If you can get the time, the money is well worth it. And, of course, I have nothing bad to say about Jim. After all, I'll be getting lessons with him again at some point.

I'll see you Friday!