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oiuyt · 05-09-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by seven6ty

I was wondering, if I do good, do you think I may have any chance of getting a petitioned spot into the Div I Summer Nationals?

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Originally Posted by USFA Athlete's Handbook

2.8. Appeal/Petition Process
In exceptional cases, subject to approval by the USFA Executive Committee, a member of the USFA in good standing may be permitted to qualify to the Junior Olympic Championships or Summer National Championships by appeal. No petition may contravene the results of a qualifying competition. There is no appeal for Division I Nationals, the fencer either meets the qualification standards or does not.

So, no.

-B

seven6ty · 05-09-2006, 05:52 PM

...Damnit!

KD5MDK · 05-09-2006, 06:10 PM

I can think of another possible justification for a team appeal: The club's entire membership was attending a collegiate tournament at the time of the qualifier. However, apparently that's been clearly disallowed.

bigdawg2121 · 05-09-2006, 06:28 PM

I originally wanted to petition a team based on procedural irregularities at the qualifying event, but even that can't really fly apparently.

And seven 60 I feel your pain but the basic idea behind Div 1 nationals is that there really isn't a "good enough" result that you can have that wouldn't leave you already qualified. I'm sure you'll grab your points this year or destroy 1As.

KD5MDK · 05-09-2006, 07:10 PM

You really liked that post, didn't you?

bigdawg2121 · 05-09-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KD5MDK

You really liked that post, didn't you?

Cut me some slack, posting from the cell phone.

KD5MDK · 05-09-2006, 07:21 PM

Fair enough, didn't know that. I'm rather terrified of what I'd be like if I had f.net access on my phone...

RoninX · 05-09-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121

Cut me some slack, posting from the cell phone.

Wow, I bow down to your dedication. This from a guy whose productivity at work has been cut nearly in half since he discovered F.net.

oiuyt · 05-09-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121

I originally wanted to petition a team based on procedural irregularities at the qualifying event, but even that can't really fly apparently.

If you don't mind sharing, what division?

Not very many around the country where ANY team fails to qualify. Unless a qualifier event has five or more different clubs participating then everyone's qualified. I know some of the California divisions get numbers greater than that, but I don't recall seeing any results from a division outside of that state where that was true.

-B

bigdawg2121 · 05-09-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

If you don't mind sharing, what division?

Not very many around the country where ANY team fails to qualify. Unless a qualifier event has five or more different clubs participating then everyone's qualified. I know some of the California divisions get numbers greater than that, but I don't recall seeing any results from a division outside of that state where that was true.

-B

NC actually did this year. At least for Senior Team. That was with our team leaving.

oiuyt · 05-09-2006, 11:37 PM

Whether or not it allows for an appeal, I'd suggest dropping a note about any alleged irregularities at qualifiers to the National Office, Executive Committee, and Divisions and Sections committee. True whether it's team or individual qualifiers.

-B

tbryan · 05-10-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

Not very many around the country where ANY team fails to qualify. Unless a qualifier event has five or more different clubs participating then everyone's qualified.

Not uncommon in our division when Nationals is going to be close.

NC has a bunch of smaller clubs spread all across the state. The Senior Men's Epee Team originally had 8 clubs registered to fence this year. Two years ago, when the qualifiers were in Charlotte, I know that there were at least 5 clubs in both the Men's Foil and the Men's Epee team events.

sjpfencer220 · 05-10-2006, 05:13 PM

although it would be fun beating all of those little kids who otherwise wouldn't have qualified, it will not really make them any better to go based on a petition and not deserving, they will get experience and learn a bit but they would probably learn more understanding more to start with. That's (if anyone got that) why I boted for that they musst ahve a good reason.

SurfingFoil · 05-10-2006, 09:00 PM

If a fencer is hurt (medically proven) at the time of the qualifier, and they likely may have qualified (not necessarily won the qualifier), then they should be allowed to fence. It's the top 25% not 2%.

Fechter1 · 05-11-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfingFoil

If a fencer is hurt (medically proven) at the time of the qualifier, and they likely may have qualified (not necessarily won the qualifier), then they should be allowed to fence. It's the top 25% not 2%.

Question on a hypothetical case:
At the time of the qualifier, I had pain/discomfort in my back leg (lower leg). XRays did not show an immediate stress fracture, but the symptoms were not entirely typical of standard shin splints. Thus, I had a bone scan exam, which was not due to be evaluated until the day after the qualifiers.

Would you have accepted a petitions under these circumstances?

(I did end up fencing in the tournament, earning a qualifying slot and upping my A to an 06. The following day, I found out that nothing serious was detected in my legs, and that the diagnosis was simple shin splints, i.e. nothing that would have prevented me from fencing.)

foildad · 05-12-2006, 09:16 AM

"By Board action, any fencer who has qualified for the Under-19 National Championships becomes an automatic qualifier for the Under-16 Championships (BOD, 10/04)"

Does this mean that a fencer who qualifies for Junior at Sectional Qualifiers by petition is a cadet autoqualifier at Divisional Qualifiers and can therefore be skipped in determining the number of qualifiers at Divisionals?

sabreman · 05-12-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fechter1

Question on a hypothetical case:
At the time of the qualifier, I had pain/discomfort in my back leg (lower leg). XRays did not show an immediate stress fracture, but the symptoms were not entirely typical of standard shin splints. Thus, I had a bone scan exam, which was not due to be evaluated until the day after the qualifiers.

Would you have accepted a petitions under these circumstances?

(I did end up fencing in the tournament, earning a qualifying slot and upping my A to an 06. The following day, I found out that nothing serious was detected in my legs, and that the diagnosis was simple shin splints, i.e. nothing that would have prevented me from fencing.)

I would accept and so would the USFA. I am just assuming you qualified the previous year.