05-07-2006, 10:52 PM
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| havin to keep an eye on the remaing foot and the box AND the actions seems impossible, i say make a cliff, which means know where you are and slide your fromt foot forward and you won't fall off the cliff! | 
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05-07-2006, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NGFC havin to keep an eye on the remaing foot and the box AND the actions seems impossible, i say make a cliff, which means know where you are and slide your fromt foot forward and you won't fall off the cliff! | This isn't really a practical concept. I don't know where you're going with this. | |
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05-07-2006, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 Chances are the ref is judging that the action started after the foot left the strip, or is just not really doing their job. Seeing as how epee coaches are the first to come up and question you on the applications of a rule if possible, I somehow doubt that refs just plain missing it would go unnoticed. | Well, I do fence epee and watch more of it than other weapons. Sabrists and even foilists don't seem to step off the strip nearly as often as epeeists do, especially when they fleche. And you're right, many of the epee coaches I see (including my own) will question any call that goes against their fencer, but I don't think they necessarily care how appropriate the call was, they just want the outcome to be in their fencer's favor. It's probably the inner anarchist that inhabits most epeeists' psyches. | |
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05-07-2006, 11:05 PM
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| As far as the "cliff" mataphor goes, has anyone seen those elevated strips, like the ones that are raised 1-2 feet off the ground? I have only seen those on videos, not in person. Do they give a little room outside the officicial strip boundaries, or what? I was confused when I saw one of those on a video. What's the point?
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05-07-2006, 11:08 PM
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| Yes, they have the appropriately prescribed run off space available. The point is that it raises the fencing off of the floor so that it can be filmed and seen more easily by those that aren't the referee.
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05-08-2006, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Pfleschbach Well, I do fence epee and watch more of it than other weapons. Sabrists and even foilists don't seem to step off the strip nearly as often as epeeists do, especially when they fleche. | And the referees in sabre, are considerably less likely to enforce side-of-strip rules... Sabre fencer is a bit off the side, meh, let it slide. You would never see that in epee. Quote: |
Originally Posted by TrainingDummy has anyone seen those elevated strips, like the ones that are raised 1-2 feet off the ground? I have only seen those on videos, not in person. Do they give a little room outside the officicial strip boundaries, or what? I was confused when I saw one of those on a video. What's the point? | Some have space around the sides, others don't. They all must have a level run-off beyond the endlines (as mandated in the rulebook). And yes, as a fencer, you DO need to take care near the sidelines and it can cause you to modify what you're doing. Ideally they're high enough that after leaving the piste you have some time to recollect yourself to land correctly before arriving on the "real" floor. It's the not-quite-so-high strips that are really dangerous.
They make for better viewing for both the audience and the referee.
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05-08-2006, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NGFC havin to keep an eye on the remaing foot and the box AND the actions seems impossible, i say make a cliff, which means know where you are and slide your fromt foot forward and you won't fall off the cliff! | This is what separates the qualified from the not.
Also, it is not so important to see the box 100% of the time, as it will audibly warn you when something's happened. What's important is to be able to see the blades, the floor, and have the box in your periphial vision when possible. | |
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05-08-2006, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NGFC havin to keep an eye on the remaing foot and the box AND the actions seems impossible, i say make a cliff, which means know where you are and slide your fromt foot forward and you won't fall off the cliff! | Good fencers know where the end of the strip is. They also don't need to look at the box, as they 1) know that's the referee's jobs and 2) have ears for crying out loud.
The rule is fine as it is - stop moaning.
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