05-05-2006, 09:53 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Villa de Madrid
Anyone have any results. I couldn't find them on the FIE site...
(Then, too, I often have issues navigating their site. The problem could be me.) | 
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05-06-2006, 02:51 AM
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#2 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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Originally Posted by schlager7 Anyone have any results. I couldn't find them on the FIE site...
(Then, too, I often have issues navigating their site. The problem could be me.) | They were still not up on the Spanish Fencing Federation website ( http://www.sportec.com/rfee), but then again it says the competition's not over until tomorrow -- sunday -- so they might wait until then to put up any results.
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05-06-2006, 12:38 PM
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| Results of top 8 are on the Italian website--no Americans there...
[/b]6/5/2006, MADRID -
CLASSIFICA FINALE DELLA GARA INDIVIDUALE CDM GRAND PRIX
1) Zsolt Nemcsik (Ungh)
2) Nicolas Limbach (Ger)
3) Jaime Marti (Spa) e Nicolas Lopez (Fra)
5) Stanislav Podzniakov (Rus)
6) Boris Sanson (Fra)
7) Alexei Frossine (Rus)
8) Costantin Sandu (Rom)
22) GIAMPIERO PASTORE (Ita)
24) LUIGI TARANTINO (Ita)
33) ALDO MONTANO (Ita)
43) LUIGI SAMELE (Ita
70) DIEGO OCCHIUZZI (Ita)
74) MARCO CIARI (Ita)
84) MASSIMILIANO MUROLO (Ita)
87) ANDREA AQUILI (Ita)
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05-06-2006, 12:50 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member
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| Ah, thanks. I was looking to see how a friend's son (Joe Wysocki) was doing.
Unfortunately, I just got an email from his dad and learned he did not get to fence since the USFA forgot to fax his registration. | |
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05-06-2006, 01:58 PM
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| Hope he found out before they left for Spain. If not, I'd be looking to the USFA for a reimbursment!
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05-06-2006, 03:54 PM
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| Yeah...Nic is the real deal. He's definitely gonna be on of the great ones that people on this forum (and around the world talk about very soon).
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05-06-2006, 04:09 PM
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#7 | | Senior Member
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| Joe's dad passed on some of Joe's news and observations on the Gulf Coast Forum. Villa de Madrid
Of particular interest to me are the notations that Lee and Smart may be retiring and that almost everyone in Madrid speaks Spanish.  | |
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05-06-2006, 08:07 PM
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| observations on the Gulf Coast Forum.
Thanks for posting the forum site.
I can't believe what I'm reading there! What does it take to submit paper work to register fencers at a WC! Can only image how upset and disappointed Joe must have been.... to travel all the way to Madrid and then not to fence.
And then they couldn't reach anyone at the USFA---isn't there a contact person here that overseas fencers/coach can get a hold of to resolve serious problems like this one?
And you can't tell me that all these goings-on in the minutes before the start of poules didn't have a distracting effect and affect performance of the other US fencers. 
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05-07-2006, 10:24 AM
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| results for MS Team?
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Originally Posted by fencingpictures | Thanks for postings the results so soon and also the MS team schedule for Sunday. Sure hope you'll be able to post the Team results before too long. (I'm getting greedy now)
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05-07-2006, 01:56 PM
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#11 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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Originally Posted by silver2e Sure hope you'll be able to post the Team results before too long. (I'm getting greedy now) | At your service ( as posted here): Team Results "Villa de Madrid" (ESP) - France
- Italy
- Ukraine
- Hungary
- Germany
- Romania
- Poland
- United States
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05-09-2006, 10:35 AM
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| Silver2e,
apparently there is not system in place for the traveling team or coaches to call anyone back home at USFA headquarters to resolve issue. | |
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05-10-2006, 04:40 AM
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#13 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| No offense to Joe, but does anyone know why the US team took along someone from so far down the points list?
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05-10-2006, 05:05 AM
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#14 | | Immortal
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Originally Posted by fencingpictures | Thanks for putting up the video of the final--very interesting. I hadn't seen Limbach before and had no idea he was so tall.
I thought the fencing in the final was quite nice, with a lot of very clean actions--many parry-ripostes by both fencers and a good use of defensive line by Nemscik early on--although Nemscik made life hard on himself in the last part of the bout.
Directing was very solid--the director generally awarded the touch to the first fencer to attack even in quite tight situations, and penalized Nemscik in particular a couple of times for a very slight hesitancy and lifting/pulling back of the hand--I thought these were bad decisions the first time through, but on a second watching believe I understand why he called the actions the way he did--although it was real tight.
How much fencing will you have on the DVD? Please let us know when it is available.
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05-10-2006, 09:26 AM
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| Wysocki was chosen at the request of the US national coach. He is 7th in Junior and 25th in Senior, however his points standings were hurt due to missing 2 major competitions last year because of injury. His 17th place finish in the Dormagen, Germany World Cup did not hurt either. | |
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05-10-2006, 09:28 AM
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| Wysocki was chosen at the request of the US national coach. He is 7th in Junior and 25th in Senior, however his points standings were hurt due to missing 2 major competitions last year because of injury. His 17th place finish in the Dormagen, Germany World Cup did not hurt either. He also qualified (because of his 7th place ranking) for the World Cup in Chile and will fence there too. | |
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05-10-2006, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata No offense to Joe, but does anyone know why the US team took along someone from so far down the points list? | Happens all the time and in more extreme cases than Joe...
Looking just at MS and just at this year (source: USFA International Programs website):
This weekend's event in Poland includes John Jakelsky, who isn't on the NRPS at all. A brief Google search doesn't turn up ANY significant results at any level and no recent results whatsoever. Also allowed in was Jon Marcel (since withdrew). Jon's currently ranked 46th on the NRPS. I believe he has never been ranked in the USFA top-24.
Jon is currently scheduled to attend the World Cup in Bulgaria in a couple of weeks, attended the events in Turkey and Greece earlier this year, and was an alternate for Spain.
Several other fencers have been tagged with the "per National Coach" deisgnation for certain events, but all appear to have been otherwise eligible anyway.
Here's what the AH says about exceptions to World Cup eligibility criteria: Quote: |
Originally Posted by USFA 2005-2006 Athlete's Handbook Eligibility Exceptions: Exceptions may be granted on entry eligibility rules for a fencer with well established international credentials, provided that such application is filed, in writing, at least 60 days prior to the “A” competition.
The National Weapon Coach may also recommend a fencer who does not meet the criteria on the basis of the following factors: recent top 8 results at National point competitions, recent top 8 results at “B” competitions with a SSF of at least 1.0, prior high national rankings. This recommendation must be sent in writing to the USFA office by the entry deadline date for the competition. It is the fencer’s responsibility to obtain the National Coach’s recommendation. | Obviously these are not strictly followed in all cases.
Browsing through the other weapons there are usually several such instances of exceptions being made. Some CLEARLY fit the above criteria (Cody Mattern being allowed to fence despite a 34th place ranking). Others... not so much. It's really up to the national coach(es) when people not otherwise eligible are allowed to go. Other than the given criteria, which are clearly not followed as absolute rules, I don't have any insight into how those decisions are made.
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05-10-2006, 04:34 PM
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| The 'per national coach' means that they were not either in the top 16 senior or top 8 junior at the time of designation and thus not eligible by the criteria set. Yuri (or the other national coaches) can at his choosing invite and approve others going. | |
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05-10-2006, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ElCaribe The 'per national coach' means that they were not either in the top 16 senior or top 8 junior at the time of designation and thus not eligible by the criteria set. Yuri (or the other national coaches) can at his choosing invite and approve others going. | Note that top-16 is weapon specific. Some weapons it's top-24 (ME, MS, WF, WS).
The quoted text is the eligibility criteria by which a national coach may select non-eligible fencers to enter world cups.
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05-11-2006, 04:53 AM
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#20 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| So as with most things it's who you know.
Although it smacks a bit of nepotism, I'm actually glad to hear that there is some rotation down through the ranks, rather than the same few elite fencers getting all the international competition time and experience every single World Cup while up-and-comers get naught...
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