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More fencing footage Footage from the Clocktower open this weekend.
Semi Finals: Ballew vs Butcher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cTPS5DCXI
I'm the one on the right.
Let it load a while before trying to play it all. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. And from this side only! The flight of a half-man, half-bird. Dinosaurs nuzzling their young in pastures where strip malls should be. Cookies on dowels. All those moment, lost in time. Gone, like eggs off a hooker's stomach. Time to die" -Phil Ken Sebben
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Some more or less random thoughts while viewing the clip...
Oy, you should really work on your footwork, specifically your front leg. Try to keep your front foot (and the knee) pointed at your oponent.
Also, bend your front leg more, let your quads absorb the shock of landing the foot (also try to do this when just walking or standing around). You'll thank yourself for that one in a few (maybe more) years. Otherwise, you're just asking for knee problems (osteoarthritis).
This would also help to give you more backwards mobility, meaning you could vary your defenses with more parries (in the clip you were doing ~90% counters/stophits).
Definite pattern to your footwork. Plus, it seems a bit too static to me... But that was just in the beginning.
In general, to be honest, I think your opponent in that bout had better footwork form than you did.
Seems like you won due to your point control, forward explosiveness, and that low/foot touch. Clip was a bit grainy to make any more detailed tactical analysis. Sorry.
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Very much appreciated. Thanks. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. And from this side only! The flight of a half-man, half-bird. Dinosaurs nuzzling their young in pastures where strip malls should be. Cookies on dowels. All those moment, lost in time. Gone, like eggs off a hooker's stomach. Time to die" -Phil Ken Sebben
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Lol, you weren't the one filming it. =P, And I think he is more comparable to He Man doing his "I have the power!" thing. I was the one filming it, though it was DFPs camera.
How was the camera work, it was my first time and it was kinda fun filming. How was the angle and such?
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 Originally Posted by i am fluffy Who's the fat guy fencing on the strip behind you? Thats another board member.... "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. And from this side only! The flight of a half-man, half-bird. Dinosaurs nuzzling their young in pastures where strip malls should be. Cookies on dowels. All those moment, lost in time. Gone, like eggs off a hooker's stomach. Time to die" -Phil Ken Sebben
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RebelFencer's Awesome Quote of the Week:
"Encouraging the average age of first intercourse to go below 16?"
-Army Fencer
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Dude, Metallica and epee fencing should never come together.
Anyway, I don't know if you are doing this on purpose or not, but you have a habit of moving your front foot to your back heel and the placing it back again. I don't know if you are trying to use it to set up someone for a fleche or not, but you can get caught by someone who is able to pick up the tempo. Ich steige ab, Hab keine Zeit, Muss jetzt zu den anderen Pferden, Wollen auch geritten werden
C'est pas la chute, c'est l'atterrissage.
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Originally Posted by i am fluffy Who's the fat guy fencing on the strip behind you? lol!!  that's one of the loudest fencers you'll ever come across.. 
btw, i don't recall butcher using a prieur mask.. another convert. 
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In addition to rcmatthews comment ... I have won close DEs by simply taking advantage of my opponent's 'bounce'. The tempo is sometimes very easy to notice and destroy ... for that brief second, your feet are airborne and you can do nothing to change direction.
I'm not partial to bouncing ... in part because I lack the knee-cartilage to pull it off. I have witnessed veteran fencers (50+) in my division pick apart young and rated fencers by simply timing an attack the moment the junior flexes his/her knees for the bounce.
Having said that, I recently suffered a humilating defeat (2-5) at the hands of a young woman who actually 'boxed' .. i.e., jumped back and forthe and from side to side. I simply couldn't disrupt her tempo. When in doubt, whip it out ...
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to be clear, my post was not anti-bouncing, though it seems like wasted energy to me. But I don't fence epee, so I don't really know. Whatever works Ich steige ab, Hab keine Zeit, Muss jetzt zu den anderen Pferden, Wollen auch geritten werden
C'est pas la chute, c'est l'atterrissage.
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Hmm....so this was the round of 4, you won 15-10 rather easily, the guy you were fencing is an "A2006" and we can all see the video....maybe this rating inflation argument isn't so out of place... I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
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Originally Posted by farginStinkinBastage In addition to rcmatthews comment ... I have won close DEs by simply taking advantage of my opponent's 'bounce'. The tempo is sometimes very easy to notice and destroy ... for that brief second, your feet are airborne and you can do nothing to change direction.
I'm not partial to bouncing ... in part because I lack the knee-cartilage to pull it off. I have witnessed veteran fencers (50+) in my division pick apart young and rated fencers by simply timing an attack the moment the junior flexes his/her knees for the bounce.
Having said that, I recently suffered a humilating defeat (2-5) at the hands of a young woman who actually 'boxed' .. i.e., jumped back and forthe and from side to side. I simply couldn't disrupt her tempo. Bouncing is a very effective tactic in Epee' if you know how to do it correctly. RebelFencer's Awesome Quote of the Week:
"Encouraging the average age of first intercourse to go below 16?"
-Army Fencer
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Originally Posted by rcmatthews Anyway, I don't know if you are doing this on purpose or not, but you have a habit of moving your front foot to your back heel and the placing it back again. I don't know if you are trying to use it to set up someone for a fleche or not, but you can get caught by someone who is able to pick up the tempo. I see fencers doing this alllll the time, so I'm curious to know if people are going for a setup or not.
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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 Hmm....so this was the round of 4, you won 15-10 rather easily, the guy you were fencing is an "A2006" and we can all see the video....maybe this rating inflation argument isn't so out of place... wow i didnt even look at that. Ich steige ab, Hab keine Zeit, Muss jetzt zu den anderen Pferden, Wollen auch geritten werden
C'est pas la chute, c'est l'atterrissage.
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Its cool, people glossed over it. I figure since I didn't take a jab at DFP for his training video this one was fair game. It was between that comment or one wondering how a Ryu/Ken fan ended up with a celebration reminiscent of Zangief... I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
"Martin was not an optimist; he was a prisoner of hope." Optimism is about assuming there's evidence that justifies your outlook while hope is about creating the evidence and procuring your own happiness or vision of the world. - Professor West
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Hah,ok Bigdawg, you fence Butcher someday and see how you like it. Only thing dirtier than a sabreist, is an epeeist in bed.
Hail to the King, Baby!-Ash
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Originally Posted by bigdawg2121 Hmm....so this was the round of 4, you won 15-10 rather easily, the guy you were fencing is an "A2006" and we can all see the video....maybe this rating inflation argument isn't so out of place... You're an idiot if you think ratings determine who will win a bout.
Last edited by D+F+P=Hadouken!; 05-02-2006 at 10:24 AM.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. And from this side only! The flight of a half-man, half-bird. Dinosaurs nuzzling their young in pastures where strip malls should be. Cookies on dowels. All those moment, lost in time. Gone, like eggs off a hooker's stomach. Time to die" -Phil Ken Sebben
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Originally Posted by ChrisBrasel Hah,ok Bigdawg, you fence Butcher someday and see how you like it. thats very true.. i don't know why most people here keep implying that a rating NOT earned at a national event is somehow a fluke, that person saw 2 min of footage of a guy and decide to use him as a poster boy for the "inflation" argument, , people have bad days, match up poorly against other fencers, choke under pressure, etc.. no one can be "A06" all the time.
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This is one of those moments when it's embarrassing to be a fencer.
I'm also reminded of why people hate epee.
Think how that bout would have appeared to a live spectator sans soundtrack. I would have rather watched tiddlywinks. At least people know upfront that tiddlywinks isn't supposed to be an athletic contest. Although, to be fair, it does have more strategy.
And the posing was hilarious. Is there ANY sport where that would have looked even remotely natural, and wouldn't have been the source of indelible ridicule? If Darko pulled a move like that... he'd probably have to move back to Serbia. Seriously.
I was much more excited about the clip where Smith and Bratton faced off against each other armed with herrings.
Last edited by Mr Epee; 05-02-2006 at 10:59 AM.
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Originally Posted by thud I see fencers doing this alllll the time, so I'm curious to know if people are going for a setup or not. I think that most of the time you see that, it's just lazy footwork. If you notice, he shifts his weight to the back foot, which would make it more difficult to fleche from that position.
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