More fencing footage

[chiz]

... Everything may have been on the level, but all this sounds very similar to the reasons generally given by experience competitive fencers on why they avoid po-dunk regional tournaments like the plague - particularly when they are of the backwater randomly direct yourselves variety. Think about that next time you start wondering why enough good fencers aren't showing up to your events.

Some divisions are seriously limited as far as rated referees are concerned; Tennessee is one of them. The local and regional events here rarely pay for referees’ travel or expenses, most of the refs fence the tournaments. This puts a good ref in a compromising position in refereeing a bout with someone you lost to or someone who is a friend.

Yes, high rated fencers from out of the region are rare but not as rare as a couple of years ago; so the A’s are not staying away.

Soon, both D+ and Rebel will have earned their A’s maybe in B’ham this weekend at the SE Sections.

I know of Jerry Benson is in OK, he teaches and travels to observe new refs. I understand that the SW Section has a number of good refs, so how many rated refs are in Epeeton?

This thread is a run-a-away train. Did someone say damnyankee is two words?

chiz

[ChrisBrasel]

Thats not what I heard.

praytell, what did you hear?

[seak]

Y'all are southerners! Eh?

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

[Mr Epee]

Soon, both D+ and Rebel will have earned their A’s maybe in B’ham this weekend at the SE Sections.

Earned, or manufactured, via nefarious plot.

Next week on Springer

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[ChrisBrasel]

heh. Sniffles.

[Frank Pratt]

For all of you who are bashing Butcher, and even DFPs fencing... I guess we'll see how things turn out at sectionals. =)

Indeed we will. I wish they had put the event on FRED. I'm predicting an A4 ME event, and I'd like to see if I'm right.

The ME event at the Georgia Games Championships is going to be another interesting contest. 3A's, 6B's, 6C's, 4D's, 3E's, and not a single "U." Nearly half of the fencers so far are an "A" or a "B." It will be a pretty strong A2 once everyone has pre-registered.

[bigdawg2121]

Hmmm, depending on what I do with my summer I might actually make the trip to GA and fence that...maybe even all 3 weapons...I'll have to keep an eye on the pre-reg list.

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Well, so far as I heard, DFP had lost to Butcher. Is it possible then, that he wanted the person he lost to to win? I would. Then I could go home and say "I got dead last, but the person who slaughtered my butt got 1st place and earned their A!" Is it not then possible to assume he wanted to give Butcher the advantage over Vail? Also, Vail had been unplugging and setting down his weapon durring all other DE bouts that day and no other director seemed to think of this as "Delay of the bout." Not only that, but out of all the questionable calls in that bout, the vast majority of them went in Butcher's favor. Also, DFP got 3rd at this competion and had been fencing for quite a while this day. He could have been tierd and therefore, his judgement not 100% correct.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Butcher's or DFP's fencing is not good, just that maybe the outcome would have been different had there been another director.

To be fair, I took 5th at that tournament.

[the doc]

one thing i can categorically say is that your celebrations are an absolute disgrace. sort them out.

other than that, i have visions of you breaking your ankle at some point. get the knee and foot in line with each other and pointing at the opponent, not at the angle is currently is.

and that front leg is way too stiff.

also, i notice in your en garde position your arm appears to be right back against your body, better to have it significantly more forward than it looks there.

watch the wicas world cadet tape. the kid has a great en garde position. watch that, copy it and keep doing that until you look like that when you are en garde. you wil give yourself a good start then.

[RoninX]

one thing i can categorically say is that your celebrations are an absolute disgrace. sort them out.

Seriously man, it looks like you put absolutely no forethought into how to celebrate after each point! Lets take a page from the Owens/Johnson Big Book of Celebrations here. Where are the Sharpies, cell phones, electric worms et al!

If you are going to do something, do it right




(actually as I've previously stated I agree with the Doc completely)

**this is a mile stone moment in my life**

life goal # 36: legitimately use the phrase "I agree with the Doc completely"

Now I can check that baby off and get on the waiting list to climb Kilimanjaro

[bigdawg2121]

Frank did you lie to us...FRED says SC, TN, and NC fencers are welcome....the Georgia games site disagrees, who's right?

[KD5MDK]

LOL who said the civil war ended 150 years ago, we're (appearantly) still fighting it on the web and on piste

Why do you think real referees wear blue and gray?

The referee is supposed to verify the existance and security of the retaining devise prior to the start of the bout. I seriously doubt that it "went missing" during the course of the bout.

I've seen reel clips (OEM ones) "go missing" during the course of the bout. They're always within a 15 ft radius of the strip, and usually on it, but how far they are from the clip isn't nearly as important as that they're no longer on it.
(I can't recall a bodycord coming unplugged at that end, however.)

[mrbiggs]

Is it possible then, that he wanted the person he lost to to win?

Unfortunately, this is epee. The only call he made, that has been brought up, that affected the bout was in fact correct. So it is possible (but extremely unlikely, DFP strikes me as very honest), but unfortunately that's irrelevant.

[Poulet]

DFP strikes me as very honest

So I've got this little bridge in New York I was thinking of selling...

[mrbiggs]

One final note. Is this the kind of directing we can expect at summer nat's in Atlanta?

do YOU even know what you're talking about anymore?

[Frank Pratt]

No, what dfp did is textbook correct. Not all tournaments have reels with retaining clips. The exact situation is mentioned in rules and in the referee exam.

This response also applies to your second comment about the last touch being questionable.

The yellow card wasn't correct, but that doesn't change the bout score. Was a red card awarded?

My thoughts exactly. If the body cord comes unplugged at the weapon end, it's always the fencer's fault, regardless of whether or not there is a retaining clip. However, if it comes unplugged in the back because there is no retaining clip, then the touch is annulled. Butcher could not be expected to do anything about the missing retaining clip on the reel.

The yellow card might be iffy, but if Vail did actually step off the strip to get his weapon, he should have been carded. My understanding is that you can never leave the strip without permission, even during a break.

[bigdawg2121]

I think that the actual interpretation of the leaving the strip rule generally means that one cannot wander off. If I simply step off the strip to sit in a chair or grab a bottle of water it's a little unreasonable to card me for it. But then again as the ref that's up to you.

Are you going to answer my question about Georgia games Frank?

[Frank Pratt]

Frank did you lie to us...FRED says SC, TN, and NC fencers are welcome....the Georgia games site disagrees, who's right?

We've always welcomed fencers from states that do not have thier own state games. Thus, Flordia and Alabama fencers cannot compete, but SC, TN, and NC fencers can.

[bigdawg2121]

Awesome, thanks.

[Beowulfman6]

Indeed we will. I wish they had put the event on FRED. I'm predicting an A4 ME event, and I'd like to see if I'm right.

The ME event at the Georgia Games Championships is going to be another interesting contest. 3A's, 6B's, 6C's, 4D's, 3E's, and not a single "U." Nearly half of the fencers so far are an "A" or a "B." It will be a pretty strong A2 once everyone has pre-registered.

My money is on others at Sectionals. I wish I could make it myself- maybe I'll make it to the GA games instead and be the lonely U.