Butcher there fences maybe once a month, and if he can beat someone that trains in New York to get his A, then I think he’s a pretty damn good fencer. DFP is pretty good too, he beat me in the gold metal bout. So go ahead with ratings inflation theories, just know your all pretty pathetic for criticizing all the parties involved. It’s pretty easy now sitting at your computers instead of when your on the strip with either Butcher or Ballew. Here was a time to help out a fellow fencer when he asked for it, but instead we got a dick parade. I applaud you all.
Really, chill.
Is there a particular comment or critisism about the fencing that has been made here that you disagree with based on the tape or having watched this bout live?
Based on the quality of the feedback DFP has received I think I'll actually try an get one of my DEs taped shortly here and see what advice (and critisism I will garner). As stated video can really tell you alot about someone's fencing - now to find someone with a digital video camera...
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Also..I am a supporter of DFP in this instance. But even he knows I would be the first to call him on it if he pulled any crap. Personally, I think this thread has gotten a bit out of control. Let's all try and tone it down a notch.
You have to admit that it certainly looks like a bunch of Good Ol' Boys from Tennessee trying to punk some Yankee... particularly when the result would be adding the magical 2nd light "A" to the region.
Especially in a bout that finishes up 8-7 and in which what should have been the the final touch was (in my expert opinion) incorrectly annulled due to a point of order that should have been previously controlled by either the fencer who ultimately benefited from the cord coming unplugged, or the referee who is specifically charged with ensuring that the retaining device is correctly fixed prior to the commencement of the bout.
Of all the weapons, Epee traditionally has the smallest margins of victory even for fencers of significantly different skill. Annulling touches is a pretty big deal.
Of course, I wasn't there. Everything may have been on the level, but all this sounds very similar to the reasons generally given by experience competitive fencers on why they avoid po-dunk regional tournaments like the plague - particularly when they are of the backwater randomly direct yourselves variety. Think about that next time you start wondering why enough good fencers aren't showing up to your events.
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I'm familiar with most of the rules, but seeing as how I've never tried to become a rated director I assume that there are things I don't know. Would you rather I just claimed to know everything? Also..I am a supporter of DFP in this instance. But even he knows I would be the first to call him on it if he pulled any crap. Personally, I think this thread has gotten a bit out of control. Let's all try and tone it down a notch.
I think she was trying to make a joke
Judging any fencer based on one bout good or bad is difficult, however given a video we were asked to do just that and I think a lto of people make helpful comments for DFP. Some people noticed that they individual he was fencing did not look like an A fencer, it may have been he had a bad day. It happens.
Based on what I have seen of high level epee fencing (DC metro area) he looked static maybe he was just feeling tired that day. Also that may just be how people in this area fence as compared to other areas of the country. Movement however changes less from bout to bout then does timing and point control
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Especially in a bout that finishes up 8-7 and in which what should have been the the final touch was (in my expert opinion) incorrectly annulled due to a point of order that should have been previously controlled by either the fencer who ultimately benefited from the cord coming unplugged, or the referee who is specifically charged with ensuring that the retaining device is correctly fixed prior to the commencement of the bout.
DFP mentioned that the reel lacked a retaining clip, they tried to attach it with tape. It came undone. It wasn't the ref or fencers fault, given the circumstances I don't think there is much else DFP could have done
Unfortunatly those of us who fence in podunck regional tournaments dont always have the benifit of the newest and most up to date equipment. Pardon us for fencing
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You have to admit that it certainly looks like a bunch of Good Ol' Boys from Tennessee trying to punk some Yankee... particularly when the result would be adding the magical 2nd light "A" to the region.
Especially in a bout that finishes up 8-7 and in which what should have been the the final touch was (in my expert opinion) incorrectly annulled due to a point of order that should have been previously controlled by either the fencer who ultimately benefited from the cord coming unplugged, or the referee who is specifically charged with ensuring that the retaining device is correctly fixed prior to the commencement of the bout.
Of all the weapons, Epee traditionally has the smallest margins of victory even for fencers of significantly different skill. Annulling touches is a pretty big deal.
Of course, I wasn't there. Everything may have been on the level, but all this sounds very similar to the reasons generally given by experience competitive fencers on why they avoid po-dunk regional tournaments like the plague - particularly when they are of the backwater randomly direct yourselves variety. Think about that next time you start wondering why enough good fencers aren't showing up to your events.
haha, hey now! I don't recall anyone having any problems with the time keeper!
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Unplugged? Missing retainer?
The referee is supposed to verify the existance and security of the retaining devise prior to the start of the bout. I seriously doubt that it "went missing" during the course of the bout.
No, what dfp did is textbook correct. Not all tournaments have reels with retaining clips. The exact situation is mentioned in rules and in the referee exam.
This response also applies to your second comment about the last touch being questionable.
The yellow card wasn't correct, but that doesn't change the bout score. Was a red card awarded?
Pshhh.......w/e man we know what's goin down. It's a conspiracy amongst those that drink tea with their sugar water.
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DFP mentioned that the reel lacked a retaining clip, they tried to attach it with tape. It came undone. It wasn't the ref or fencers fault, given the circumstances I don't think there is much else DFP could have done
Unfortunatly those of us who fence in podunck regional tournaments dont always have the benifit of the newest and most up to date equipment. Pardon us for fencing
^^^^^^ Someone needs to breathe a little. ^^^^^^
While we are on the subject, if a tournament isn't capable of providing scoring equipment that meets USFA standards, then maybe they shouldn't be sanctioned to hand-out USFA ratings. Hmm?
For the record: It is absolutely acceptable to secure the bodycord with tape, but like everything else, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
Duct tape is strong medicine.
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While we are on the subject, if a tournament isn't capable of providing scoring equipment that meets USFA standards, then maybe they should be sanctioned to hand-out USFA ratings. Hmm?
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While we are on the subject, if a tournament isn't capable of providing scoring equipment that meets USFA standards, then maybe they should be sanctioned to hand-out USFA ratings. Hmm?
Haha, in theory.
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For the record: It is absolutely acceptable to secure the bodycord with tape, but like everything else, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.
Duct tape is strong medicine.
That's the bout committee's reponsibility. Are they in on the conspiracy, too?
Except ChrisBrasel... he doesn't feel it's very civil
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Get your soccer game up Ronin...it is NOT full time until stopage time is over. Geez, you'd think soccer wasn't that popular here or something....
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Speaking of which did anyone else catch the FA Women's cup finals and end up horribly disappointed by how badly Arsenal stomped Leeds? [/threadjack]
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Originally Posted by ChrisBrasel
I love you guys, here you are making assumptions and judging fencers when none of you know jack **** about any of the people involved.
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I applaud you all.
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I did like that. Laughed for a good minute. I have no problem with what you guys said at the beginning. And I don't care if I lose to Grant. So what, he's my bud. I just don't like people talking about Butcher without him to respond.
And no, I'm never civil. I'm from Texas, I'm at war with the world.
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And last time I checked MD remained in the union and is definatly not southern as any good southerner can tell you : )
Y'all are southerners! Eh?
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I did like that. Laughed for a good minute. I have no problem with what you guys said at the beginning. And I don't care if I lose to Grant. So what, he's my bud. I just don't like people talking about Butcher without him to respond.
So get him to sign up for F.Net... lets here his side? Was he hung over, was he sick. Did he lose a bet and have to bend over to DFP in a competition. What?!?
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