04-24-2006, 02:36 PM
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#1 | | Fencing Coach
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| Saving dead lames
What is the BEST way to save/clean lames that are starting to have dead spots. We have a lot coming up at our club at an alarming rate.
I know this is an old question but I cannot find a previous discussion on it!  HELP | 
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04-24-2006, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hpfencing What is the BEST way to save/clean lames that are starting to have dead spots. We have a lot coming up at our club at an alarming rate.
I know this is an old question but I cannot find a previous discussion on it! HELP | Try this link http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthr...=cleaning+lame | |
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04-26-2006, 07:39 PM
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#3 | | Fencing Coach
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| that is how to clean them.
Anyone have a miricle to SAVE them from small dead spots when they start apprearing? | |
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04-26-2006, 07:46 PM
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| Patch with conductive thread or lame material. | |
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04-26-2006, 10:01 PM
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| I seem to recall a thread by someone who was experimenting with every chemical under his kitchen sink: CLR, bleach, Lime Away, etc. ( and combinations thereof ). By the end he claimed to have resurrected a dead lamé. I wish I remembered the thread title or author, but alas... | |
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04-27-2006, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata I seem to recall a thread by someone who was experimenting with every chemical under his kitchen sink: CLR, bleach, Lime Away, etc. ( and combinations thereof ). By the end he claimed to have resurrected a dead lamé. I wish I remembered the thread title or author, but alas... | I think it was Artisan!
(looking...) Lame Restoration Miracle!
YES! Coincidentally, look at the most recent post. | 
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04-27-2006, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs | it should work. just keep your hands outta the stuff! clorox and oxyclean have a pH of 11.4 and 12.6 respectively. its about as strong as sodium hydroxide.
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04-28-2006, 10:18 AM
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| What is the cause of a lame getting a "bad spot." Is it oxidation that causes this? If so, I may have an easy answer.
I assume by a lame turning green, it's a copper lame and the copper is oxidizing green. You are using the chemicals to try to remove the oxidation to improve the electrical contact. Is this all correct? | |
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04-28-2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by broesner What is the cause of a lame getting a "bad spot." Is it oxidation that causes this? If so, I may have an easy answer.
I assume by a lame turning green, it's a copper lame and the copper is oxidizing green. You are using the chemicals to try to remove the oxidation to improve the electrical contact. Is this all correct? | Copper Lames typically go through an aging process in which the conductor gets a coating which inhibits conduction between the strands. This can often be improved by washing with ammonia, at least for a while. When the conductors finally begin breaking, it is not reversible.
The Lames that turn green are usually, I believe, nickel based. When they turn green it is due to a destructive process that destroys the conductors themselves. It is usually not reversible. There is a typical pattern of changing color near the collar and along stitch lines on Sabre masks.
Stainless Lames age and develop dead spots when the conductors break from getting hit repeatedly and along lines where the conductive material is folded. Conductive thread can be very effective in counteracting this. I describe small dead spots as being the tip of an iceberg. You can fix up the small dead spot but the areas around it are ageing also and will soon stop conducting. The small spots grow into large areas.
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05-01-2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hpfencing that is how to clean them.
Anyone have a miricle to SAVE them .............? | Ask for forgiveness, repent of their sins, and accept the Lord as their Savior! 
Other than that, administer moraphine, and make them as comfortable as possible, cause they're gonna die!
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05-01-2006, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mergs Ask for forgiveness, repent of their sins, and accept the Lord as their Savior! | Or change to epee Quote: |
Other than that, administer moraphine, and make them as comfortable as possible, cause they're gonna die!
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05-01-2006, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mergs Ask for forgiveness, repent of their sins, and accept the Lord as their Savior!
Other than that, administer moraphine, and make them as comfortable as possible, cause they're gonna die! | s/Lord/twisterfencing | |
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05-02-2006, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer Or change to epee | He said repent of their sins, not compound them.  | |
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