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Old 04-11-2006, 09:00 PM   #1
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First Foil Lame

I've been fencing for just over a year now and I want to purchace my first foil lame. I've been looking at Uhlmann/Allstar and Leon Paul. I don't want to spend more than $150, but I want it to be of good quality and fairly long lasting.

I was looking at fechtsport langenkamp and I was wondering if there is any difference between Allstar and Uhlmann lames, and if they are good. I read something about the flap over the zipper curling and causing off target problems. Is this still a problem? I also wanted to know about how much the shipping would cost to North America.

I was also looking at the Leon Paul lame, but I don't know much about it or its durability. I've ordered from Leon Paul USA before and was happy with how fast it got here and that shipping was free.

Advice on any of these things would be very helpful.

Thanks!
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... I was wondering if there is any difference between Allstar and Uhlmann lames, and if they are good. I read something about the flap over the zipper curling and causing off target problems. Is this still a problem?
The only real differance is Allstar uniform are cut a little sliimmer than Uhlmann...other than that, thje only differance is Allstar's red and Uhlmann's blue. They're good lames -- worth the money if you take care of them.

The flap is going to be a prob on any lame...but I've yet to see it cause an off target, since the non-donductive parts is away from the oncoming blade.
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Estoc lames are top notch, and available from Swordmasters for less than $150, I believe. I know a top armorer who says he has never been presented with an Estoc lame which didn't pass conductivity.

Allstar, Uhlmann, they're the same thing really.
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I've been fencing for just over a year now and I want to purchace my first foil lame. I've been looking at Uhlmann/Allstar and Leon Paul. I don't want to spend more than $150, but I want it to be of good quality and fairly long lasting.

I was looking at fechtsport langenkamp and I was wondering if there is any difference between Allstar and Uhlmann lames, and if they are good. I read something about the flap over the zipper curling and causing off target problems. Is this still a problem? I also wanted to know about how much the shipping would cost to North America.

I was also looking at the Leon Paul lame, but I don't know much about it or its durability. I've ordered from Leon Paul USA before and was happy with how fast it got here and that shipping was free.

Advice on any of these things would be very helpful.

Thanks!
You live in Ottawa. Ron Millette is an Allstar/Uhlmann equipment dealer located in Ottawa. I'd suggest stopping by the Ontario provincial championships - http://fencing.on.ca/events/OFA/2005...ation-Form.pdf - in a couple of weeks time, and trying them on, as he'll be there selling stuff.

Or contact Ron - http://fencing.on.ca/partners/ronmillette/allstar.htm - and arrange to try them on.

Just remember: Ron's a used car salesman at heart.

Personally, I think that Allstar/Uhlmann make great lames that don't fit me right ...
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The Allstar lames for foil are indeed good, ca 99% of the foil fencers at my club uses them! The exception is me... I´m still using my trusty old France Lame...

Allthough, due to some white spots its time to order a new one, guess i will go with the flow...
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Quality, while often beeing very expensive and making you think it's a total rip off, is usually the best way to go.
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The problem is no one has yet mentioned a lame which could legitimately be accused of low quality. (Except France-Lames, which I am unfamiliar with)
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The problem is no one has yet mentioned a lame which could legitimately be accused of low quality. (Except France-Lames, which I am unfamiliar with)
Whatever you could accuse France Lames of, low quality was not on the agenda! Besides, that company went belly up some years ago...
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The problem is no one has yet mentioned a lame which could legitimately be accused of low quality. (Except France-Lames, which I am unfamiliar with)
the tripplette lame is high quality, but it was cut for someone the shape of a jelly donut.
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Except in the case of masks, accuracy of FIE labels, etc. And yes, they're gone anyway.
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Whatever you could accuse France Lames of, low quality was not on the agenda! Besides, that company went belly up some years ago...
Uhhh...did you actually LOOK at their gear before the French police closed the doors (because the owner was embezzling)??

Lessee....FAKE FIE blades...wire grooves that meandered like the Amazon...masks that failed the punch test on the FIRST try...

Yeah...good quality there...
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I've been looking at Uhlmann/Allstar and Leon Paul. I don't want to spend more than $150, but I want it to be of good quality and fairly long lasting.

From everything you mention above: Price, quality, and long lasting, get an Estoc.

Great fit, super long lasting (60% Nickel), not super expensive.

Here is the web site: http://sword-masters.com/catalog/pro...products_id=19

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Where have you BEEN, Gary??

Did you get my email about the epee contacts??

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I really like the quality and price of the stainless JL lames from fencing post. I think the last ime I bought one (6 months ago) it was about $65.00 with shipping. The are not the most durable I have seen, but since mine gets hit so seldom, they last a long tine.
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I really like the quality and price of the stainless JL lames from fencing post. I think the last ime I bought one (6 months ago) it was about $65.00 with shipping. The are not the most durable I have seen, but since mine gets hit so seldom, they last a long tine.
Those with corrosive sweat should probably not get these; BGs last a month or two longer for me for about the same price.

I've heard from others that they last long, though.
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