04-16-2006, 11:02 AM
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#141 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo Best of all, two of the three cadets and all of the junior team members can compete in the 2007 Cadet/Junior World Championships! | This is a confusing statement. I could see the posibility of losing a Junior Team member to age, but why would a cadet from this year, not be able to go to next years Cadet/Junior Worlds?
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04-16-2006, 11:18 AM
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| Jackie Jacobson ages out of cadets but can indeed still return for the Junior event. Becca & Caroline still qualify for both events and Dagmara will still qualify for the Junior event. | |
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04-16-2006, 11:27 AM
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#143 | | Senior Member
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| Junior Team Men's Epee - 28 teams
1 KAZAKHSTAN
2 RUSSIA
3 GERMANY
4 ITALY
5 FRANCE
6 CZECH REPUBLIC
7 HUNGARY
8 EGYPT
12 USA
USA was seeded 8 and lost to the CZECH REPUBLIC 45-44.
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04-16-2006, 11:29 AM
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| Junior Team Women's Saber - 15 Teams
1 USA
2 CHINA
3 ITALY
4 GERMANY
5 RUSSIA
6 UKRAINE
7 HONG KONG
8 POLAND
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04-16-2006, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JEC Junior Team Men's Epee - 28 teams
1 KAZAKHSTAN
2 RUSSIA
3 GERMANY
4 ITALY
5 FRANCE
6 CZECH REPUBLIC
7 HUNGARY
8 EGYPT
12 USA
USA was seeded 8 and lost to the CZECH REPUBLIC 45-44. | I was surprised by so many 45-XX scores. I'd imagine epee to run like the gold medal bout and finish 2X-2Y like. Maybe in the 30s.
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04-16-2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by edew I was surprised by so many 45-XX scores. I'd imagine epee to run like the gold medal bout and finish 2X-2Y like. Maybe in the 30s. | I suppose the pressure made them fence harder. Or the dominant teams were scoring so easily they saw no reason to slow down. I look at the Men's 45-44 loss, and then the Czech's 45-44 loss, and can't help wishing we'd saved a point or two from running over the Dominican Republic to use later... | |
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04-17-2006, 12:47 AM
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#147 | | Senior Member
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| Junior Team Women's Epee - 23 teams
13 USA
Top 8 still Fencing are:
Russia (1) vs Italy (8);
Sweden (5) vs Korea (4);
Switzerland (3) vs Ukraine (11);
Germany (7) vs China (2).
Team USA (13) beat Malaysia (20) by score 45-16, but then lost to Korea (4) 45-38.
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04-17-2006, 12:53 AM
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| Junior Team Men's Foil - 24 teams
9 USA
Team USA seeded #3 lost to China (14) by score 45-44.
The top 8 are still fencing:
France (1) vs Hungary (8);
Ukraine (5) vs Germany (13);
China (14) vs Russia (6);
Japan (10) vs Italy (2).
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04-17-2006, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JEC Junior Team Women's Epee - 23 teams
13 USA
Top 8 still Fencing are:
Russia (1) vs Italy (8);
Sweden (5) vs Korea (4);
Switzerland (3) vs Ukraine (11);
Germany (7) vs China (2).
Team USA (13) beat Malaysia (20) by score 45-16, but then lost to Korea (4) 45-38. | The event in which the seeding has come closest to prevailing.
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04-17-2006, 05:25 AM
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| Anyone else intrigued by the amount of talking the ref is doing during the Junior Men's Foil team final...he explains himself after everything (the portuuese one I think)
Edit: Also what were people's thoughts about the second ref in the lineup (the one from Spain maybe?)
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04-17-2006, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr This is a confusing statement. I could see the posibility of losing a Junior Team member to age, but why would a cadet from this year, not be able to go to next years Cadet/Junior Worlds? | There are many reasons that a Cadet this year might not make the Junior team next year. It takes a huge time, travel, $$ committment to accrue the requisite points, and competition is stronger in many of the Junior cateories. This also coincides when many of these kids are Juniors or Seniors in HS, or Freshmen in College, giving them large responsibilities in other aspects of life.
All the US fencers were terrific in Korea, and are to be congratulated. Hopefully, next year will be as strong a showing, or stronger!! | |
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04-17-2006, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by edew I was surprised by so many 45-XX scores. I'd imagine epee to run like the gold medal bout and finish 2X-2Y like. Maybe in the 30s. | Note: It's Juniors. They finish early. It's well documented.
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04-17-2006, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NNR There are many reasons that a Cadet this year might not make the Junior team next year. It takes a huge time, travel, $$ committment to accrue the requisite points, and competition is stronger in many of the Junior cateories. This also coincides when many of these kids are Juniors or Seniors in HS, or Freshmen in College, giving them large responsibilities in other aspects of life.
All the US fencers were terrific in Korea, and are to be congratulated. Hopefully, next year will be as strong a showing, or stronger!! | Yes, I agree, but the statement was confusing. Their statement was one of the Cadets would not make the Cadet/Junior Worlds, a flat statement. If they had said a Cadet would no longer be eligible to fence as a Cadet, THEN it would have not been confusing. Then also your comments would have been pertinent.
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04-17-2006, 03:08 PM
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#154 | | Armorer
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| The final tally is in with twice as many Golds as the next highest Italy and the tied with Italy for the most medals, the US came in THIRD. Italy and Russia had the same number of points, but Italy had more Gold and more total medals, so was placed first.
Having one good fencer is not enough. You must have 3 strong fencers and 12 strong teams. Depth is more important than individual achievement.
Over 1/2 of our individual points came from 3 fencers and almost 40% of our team points came from 1 team.
Also Cadet accomplishment means nothing and a large number of the US medals came from the cadets.
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04-17-2006, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Poulet Stop trying to criticize and start trying to understand. It's easy to find fault in things. It's easier to understand the meaning of what was written and let the little things slide, instead of wasting everybody's time with nitpicking. | I see why Fencerbill critized you. Maybe NNR should have taken your advice.
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04-17-2006, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr Maybe NNR should have taken your advice. | Ummm, what are you talking about? You asked a question and she answered it.
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Originally Posted by DHCJr This is a confusing statement. I could see the posibility of losing a Junior Team member to age, but why would a cadet from this year, not be able to go to next years Cadet/Junior Worlds? | There are many reasons that a Cadet this year might not make the Junior team next year. It takes a huge time, travel, $$ committment to accrue the requisite points, and competition is stronger in many of the Junior cateories. This also coincides when many of these kids are Juniors or Seniors in HS, or Freshmen in College, giving them large responsibilities in other aspects of life. | Where does NNR nitpick or criticize you? The answer is obviously "nowhere".
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04-17-2006, 04:02 PM
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#157 | | Armorer
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Originally Posted by Poulet Ummm, what are you talking about? You asked a question and she answered it.
Maybe we need a flashback.
Where does NNR nitpick or criticize you? The answer is obviously "nowhere". | No where, neither did I criticize NNR. You do that very well by yourself. What I was suggesting was for you to ask NNR to try and understand what I wrote. I didn't know if Capt. Slo-mo had it wrong and meant 2 of the Juniors would not be elligible for the Cadet/Junior Worlds. I was trying to get clarification as I didn't know off-hand the ages of the fencers involved.
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